someone tell this person that something like %90 of US science is done by foreigner scientists and immigrants
I thought the one saving Grace to American Healthcare was that you get treated no matter what as long as you’re willing to go into crippling debt
Well damn!
‘Merit’ is perhaps not the defining factor, rather ‘money’. Or have you guys forgotten what ‘Ivy league’ actually means in the confusion.
People making lesser than $200K (even foreigners) don’t pay tuition at Harvard. Just checked and all other Ivy League schools similarly offer need-based aid except two.
have you guys forgotten what ‘Ivy league’ actually means
“Planting the ivy” was a customary class day ceremony at many colleges in the 1800s.
The “league” part is related to Athletic events between schools.
What was your point?
Also the false notion that if a third party benefits it will always result in a loss for their first party. Better education for everyone can only result in a better world for everyone. And if the issue with foreigners is some of them earned their place unfairly then the problem isn’t nationality but the massive wealth gap billionaires keep on feeding. People should whine less and eat more rich, the healthiest diet out there. 10/10 doctors forced to leave the US would approve.
Gaxxz angry! Gaxxz isn’t likely to pass the first educational hurdle to get into a top flight university. I possibly wouldn’t either. Taxes however find metric to make him look clever!
the reason why they accept alot of foreigners, is they are ineligble for scholarships, or in state tuition assistance, they also pay ALOT more in tuition. that is the real reason. besides that because of the money these universities earn, they have one of the best research labs, or companies hiring too.
Hate to be that guy and I’ll accept my fate but ‘a lot’ is two words.
They actually have to give an alot to the university
You just need to understand how to talk to them:
We bring the foreigners in, give them a first class AMERICAN education and then send them back into the world. They now are effectively a double-agent, preferring to deal with Americans in business, promote American superiority in the world by telling everyone what a badass they are for getting into Harvard, and have been indoctrinated on American values which they then seed into whatever population they are returning to. This is one of America’s effective long term methods of world domination in action and it would be stupid to halt it.
And then make up some fake examples of it paying off big time.
They don’t understand soft power.
Republicans: Our values are for Americans only! Those immigrants may prefer to deal with us afterwards, but we real Americans prefer to deal with Americans only! The only method for world domination that Americans need is American weapons and American boots on the ground until the only people left alive are Americans only!!!
It might be understandable if you expected all applicants to already be in the USA because then the “correct” percentage would be the percentage proportional to their share of the population, but since several USA universities are in the top schools worldwide then clearly they’re going to accept the most qualified applicants from all over the world. If anything, the fact that only a fourth of the students are foreign and not more is a clear bias from the school admin.
since several USA universities are in the top schools worldwide then clearly they’re going to accept the most qualified applicants from all over the world
Only for teaching and research. The only reason for undergraduates to be foreign is because they pay more.
It’s the defining trait of America, not conservatism, ever since Columbus stepped off the boat and wrote in his journal how the native people were so kind he could literally seize everything they had.
Why do you think we have two capitalist ruling parties if not for selfish people?
I think it’s a human problem. It’s in our genes. Some of us are supremely selfish and some of those people have no regard for the health and wellbeing of anyone who gets in their way. Just look at our history.
I think it’s a human problem.
Absolutely. I completely agree, and anyone who disagrees hasn’t read a world history book.
That is just such a useless relativisation of the issue. There are problems all over the world sure, but there are also varying degrees of these problems. The US is facing a lot of different problems than the EU for example. So just saying “that is just human nature” is self-defeating and wrong, because obviously some of the problems the US faces have been fixed, or at least mitigated, to a varying degree elsewhere.
Fascists loves when people just sit back and let themselves be exploited because they think that is the natural order of things.
This is the reason that time is a flat circle that consists of only about 100 years.
Having actually worked in academia, though, this actually does have a kind of fucked up capitalist answer (and it really isn’t merit) which is most true in public universities more so than Harvard: international students pay more. A lot more, in fact… so much so that my alma mater of UCLA has marketing campaigns in places like China.
As others point out, though, this isn’t zero-sum. More money theoretically means more subsidized US students (and more seats in general). At UCLA, this is especially true since any Californian making less than a certain amount can pretty much get a free ride (and even if not that, highly discounted tuition). I myself being a beneficiary of that, too, btw.
Now, private schools on the other hand, they probably pocket that cash. USC being my most local example, but I bet Harvard does the pay to win shit, too. I think it’s correct to take issue with how they operate, but MAGA is misleading people as they always do in any form of class warfare.
So their solution is to make college free for everyone, therefore putting everyone at equal footing where only merit decides admission, right?
surely, to a capitalist, having people come to the country for 3-4 years, pay loadsamoney and then leave again is the dream?
I mean, it’s actually healthier to an economy to keep the well trained immigrants but you know how racist af people are. These aren’t just professionals, they’re pre-wealthy professionals and often have seed money to lead start-ups, lol
But racism and xenophobia are self destructive.
It’s the conservative ideology: they see everything as a zero-sum game. If anyone gets something, whether it’s food stamps, medical care, or a place in a college admission, in their minds, that means it must’ve cost somebody else that thing.
That’s just not how the world works
Conservatives are perfectly capable of understanding positive-sum games when they expect the privileged in-group to be the benefactor. What is a labor contract, if not a positive-sum game where the corporation sucks up all the positive gain?
Game theory as a cental tenet of the human condition is a liberal concept, which conservatives will happily discard if it doesn’t suit them. Conservatives may cloak their disapproval in the guise of liberal concerns so that they’re in a stronger debate position in liberal-dominated social circles, but what they’re really upset by is the negation of the conservative world order - a strict hierarchy with narcissistic men at the top of clearly delineated nations, struggling for dominance through pettiness and violence.
They will accept any negative sum game, they will ruin their own livelihoods and their own lives, if only it helps sad little kings of sad little hills.
They will accept any negative sum game, they will ruin their own livelihoods and their own lives, if only it helps sad little kings of sad little hills.
I’m reminded of that book about Authoritarian Personality Types. They did like a model UN / Civilization game kind of thing, where the players represented different countries and could make decisions about policy, war, and so on. There were two groups. Unknown to the players, the people running this experiment put all the people who scored high for authoritarian personality in one group, and everyone else in the other group.
The group with low authoritarian personality scores? Basically everything was fine. They solved the ozone layer crisis. They were solving world hunger. One guy tried to be a dick and the rest of the group brought him in line.
The high authoritarian guys? Nuclear apocalypse. They made them sit in the dark for five minutes to think about what they’d done, and let them have a do-over. They still did a shit job. Petty squabbling. Stealing. Out of control climate crisis.
I don’t think there’s an ethical way to do this in real life, but I do think if you just didn’t allow people with that kind of personality to have any real power, we’d all be much better off.
It’s also possible i mangled the story because I rewrote it here from memory, but I believe it was in this book: https://theauthoritarians.org/
See it’s descriptions like that that make me think conservative ideology is actually a mental health issue, not a political one.
Well they definitely weren’t taking his spot at Harvard, that’s clear
also being hypocrites when they are frothing at the mouth about food stamps, while they are using food stamps and medicaid themselves. probably the most common diseases amoung conservatives is type 2, and heart disease which also related to having type 2 diabetes, being a very expensive disease. only type 1 is more expensive, but thats a seperate cause.
The moment that you call them out on hypocrisy, you’ve already lost. In conservatism, hypocrisy is only a problem if it can be used as a bludgeon against an opponent. Otherwise, it’s a privilege or something to use to rub it in the face of the out group that one has power over them.
The ideology is fundamentally about rigid socioeconomic hierachies that allow cognitive loads to be outsourced to one’s “betters” and power to be exercised over those lower in the hierarchy. The ideology is almost completely opposed to meritocracy - one is supposed to know the station that they were born into and not try to reach too high. And a fun thing that many moderates and center-left folks still don’t get is that conservative morality is based upon the person and their standing in the hierarchy, not their actions (unless they oppose the hierarchy). This is why they don’t give two shits about electing a convicted felon and rapist. And this is also a major part of why neoliberal centrists do everything that they can to prevent laws from applying to said felon and rapist - as someone high in the socioeconomic hierarchy, he’s supposed to be above consequences for any actions, the laws only apply to their “lessers” (plus, allowing them to be applied would put virtually every career politician at risk of prosecution for the crimes that they’ve committed).
Its a private university you know, they can enrol anyone they like, they don’t “owe” anyone anything.
You forget: conservatives believe that they are entitled to whatever they want
Oh boy
This is a spicy post…
If a foreigner blocks an American from using a drinking fountain when they’re thirsty, the foreigner should be immediately executed and the fountain should be marked as whites only… oops I mean Americans only.
/s
ask them if foreigners buying American products is denying those products to americans
Don’t give them another idiotic justification for the tariff wars.
