A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Zero-tolerance policies.
Usually the effect of these policies is that a kid who’s getting bullied puts up with it until he can’t anymore, then finally fights back and gets suspended. Same thing here.
Personally, I don’t think we should encourage violence, but I also don’t see a problem with letting kids fight it out. He was lucky all she did was hit him.
What kinda bum fuck school is this, I wanna say that but it’s usually the affluent rich areas with fuckery like this going on
There are the obvious comments about trump being a pedo and all but I think there is also another subject at play here
The US loves to apply zero tolerance policies. Thesr sound impressive, “zeeerroooo tolerance, we will do everything to stop the bad guy!” But in reality it’s just virtue signalling without doing anything about the real problem.
Zero tolerance policies make it that the institution doesn’t have to deal with any real problems. A student is a potential problem? Expel them, arrest them, get rid of them. This way, you don’t have to deal with anything and fuck that student, who cares about them?
A 12 year girl writes on her desk that she likes a clasmate? Arrest her with handcuffs and all and throw her in jail. (True story)
A girl doesn’t do her homework? Send her to something that effectively is a jail. Why spend time to support her, try to figure out what are the causes behind her problems? Just get rid of it. Eto tolerance, baby!
Somebody at school or work get bullied forever and finally snaps and hits back? Investigating WHY would take up resources, time, effort, it would cost money that can go to the shareholders and the CEO. Just fire that person, problem gone. That the bullies remain is not a problem, who cares about that? That that, over time, makes ymthe environment in your organization more and more toxic is not your problem.
I see all these US mass shootings done by young kids and young adults, and I just wonder. I know that the easy access to guns is an enormous issue that a handful of assholes don’t want to fix, but these zero tolerance policies too have a lot of influence on this, I think.
The USA needs to start dealing with their problems instead of just expelling and jailing every person who has a problem
The US president is a pedophile. Victim blaming is a standard now, pedophilia and kiddy pron is protected these days. We’re living in a really shitty dystopia these days.
If I was her dad, I’d be asking to take candid photo of the staff that took that decision, for no particular reasons, and see them stumble. But apparently “boys will be boys” remain strong :/
I think it’s time to start actually protecting and caring for children instead of using them as a scapegoat.
So a boy made child p**n of a classmate and wasn’t punished but the victim of the crime was?
Americans really living up to their president’s standards eh
Honestly? Not being in that school anymore is probably a good thing, especially for her. Record be damned; not one single fucking thing that i went through in school went on to matter to anyone but me. And unfortunately all that stayed relevant to me was the trauma. so, yeah, I’d say NOT being forced to suffer in that concentration daycamp full of shitbag crotchgoblins who hate her is an improvement.
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Good for her.Furthermore,
I hope her ex-classmate never forgets that punch and re-lives it every time the thought to deepfake porn of someone resurfaces.I hope her parents took her out for pizza, ice cream and signed her up for a kickboxing class. Because I would be proud if she did that, honestly.
She asked them to stop, the school did nothing. Well, then it’s time to handle it yourself.
Schools with zero tolerance policies are bullshit.
Sometimes kids hit other kids. They’re figuring shit out.
Plus sometimes situations deserve a little violence.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
Zero tolerance? Except for deepfake porn, apparently.
The parents should sue the school for tolerating that.
the 13 year old was charged at least (because the parents of the girl pressed charges, with no help from the school)
Everything with a zero tolerance policy is bullshit and just an excuse to avoid having to actually consider nuance and individual situations.
I got the same punishment in highschool for climbing over a table in the lunchroom to start a fight with someone who bullied me as I did for showing up five minutes late to class. It’s all such bullshit. (The punishment was two days of in school suspension.)
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
If the story is true it would be overly excessive for both to be expelled. Also the boy who seems to be 13 years old as well. That’s just very young. But then again I’m from the socialist paradise Germany where we don’t think it’s appropriate to throw kids into prison or ruin their lifes otherwise :)
While I wouldn’t advocate accepting this behavior there’s got to be a better way of addressing it. Sure, the victim shouldn’t have to deal with the accused, but there’s got to be a way of teaching a kid a lesson that doesn’t ruin their entire future. That kid has their entire adult life ahead of him and it is in all of our interest for him to become a responsible, upstanding, contributing adult
Simply expelling a kid is a failure of the school system as much as it is a failure of the kid
There is a simple solution. Is either kid’s life permanently ruined currently?
Then don’t permanently ruin the life of either kid. Otherwise the bad guy is u.
I’m from Europe, too. Kids are expelled from school for less than this. He absolutely should be expelled and have to have mandatory counseling. A slap on the wrist will just show other kids they can get away with sexual harassment and abuse, and make it even worse for the victims.
Just for you: He is 13 (in words: thirteen).
But demanding draconian punishments is always easy of course.
At 13 I could tell right from wrong. 13 is young, but old enough to know better than this. And expelling someone for sexual harassment/abuse and giving them mandatory counseling isn’t draconian. What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
Where did I state that? That’s just a strawman. That I don’t think one should ruin a very young and potentially immature person’s life doesn’t mean I don’t think that behavior should be addressed. But please enlighten me how expelling someone makes that person a better member of the society?
Sure but the problem is being expelled from school potentially ruins their entire adult life. There should be a better way of handling that includes appropriate punishment and remediation, as well as support for the victim, and still sets the kid up to become a functioning adult member of society
There have to be more answers than either expel them or accept their behavior, and the school district needs to be tasked with finding one that both ensures justice and their role of helping kids become responsible adults
at least here they have schools (well, a school) for the kids who got expelled from gen ed. they get the same shitty education the rest of us do, no fun extracurriculars, and if they fuck up there they’re done.
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She was 100% in the right and this is not morally ambiguous
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
While I agree with the sentiment on the surface, naïveté doesn’t solve the root issue. We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct. Sociopaths and misogynists will always exist. That’s why it’s important for a healthy society to root them out as soon as they show their true colors.
We need to raise boys who violently reject people who inevitably conceive of this kind of conduct.
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Exactly, this shit is on his parents just as much as on him. More even. His parents didn’t teach him to respect women and girls and in general to respect other people’s boundaries.
I also think self defense for girls and young women should be a mandatory class taught at every school. This boy is already degrading girls sexually against their will. Girls should know how to protect themselves from creeps like him.
I’m not here to defend what is completely unacceptable. So don’t mistake it as such. I also think it’s on the parents to raise their child. Kids do dumb things, that’s part of being a kid. But there’s dumb things. And then there’s this…
I think this also illustrates the importance of competent sex ed in schools.
With today’s generative AI tools. I fear these kind of things are far too easy and require far too little effort. Which makes proper sex ed all more important.
Regardless of whatever happens with this school suspension. That boy is probably in some very serious legal trouble. Because no matter how you look at it, at the end of the day. He intentionally, created, and distributed CP.
We need to find out how to raise boys that cant even conceive of this kind of conduct
Brain dead take. This is not a matter of parenting, it’s a matter of policy. You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place. Hormonal teenagers will forever be horny and creative. If they’re not finding every loophole to have sex, then they’re going to find the wackiest methods to get the next best thing. For some teen who can barely think straight, this is a quick way to get satisfaction from a crush without having the bravery of actually interacting with them.
That convenience is the problem. It is SO easy for anyone to get their hands on deepfake technology, and they’re so easy to use. You just find one of the hundreds of websites online, post a picture, and boom you’re done. Not only is it that easy, but their parents don’t even know such a technology exists because they come from a different era. In fact, they many won’t know of it until it’s too late.
Besides, no amount of talks stopped or parental controls stopped teens from watching porn, why would this be any different? The answer is that it’s not. The only serious way to address this issue, and it is a big issue, is through legislation. There’s need to be a federal ban that completely outlaws these deepfake websites, and this ban has to be actually enforced. At the very least there needs to be state bans, there just has to be some sort of legislation in place to ban or regulate this tech. Currently there is nothing.
Will this be fool proof? Of course not, when there’s a will, there’s a way. However, it will become way more difficult for your average person to do so. A 13 year can find a website and upload a picture, but it’ll harder for them to go on the dark web and do the same thing or install an AI model like Stable Diffusion locally and set it up to do deepfakes. These extra steps remove the convenience out of the equation, and make things like normal porn or interacting with their peers the better option.
You can’t stop this kind of behavior by scolding boys, and that’s not exactly the right way to get about it in the first place.
Yes you fucking can, if by scolding you mean talking to them.
Have conversations with them on how to be respectful of their peers. All their peers. Talk about things that are problems in the grades above them and tell them how it emotionally impacts people. Ask them how they feel about stuff they see it school, what they see. Frame tolerance for awful things as a moral failure.
Expect them to be decent for fucks sake, and they probably will.
You sound completely out of touch.
If you bothered to read the rest of the comment instead of just the first two sentences, you’ll see that I explained exactly why this an idiotic idea that won’t achieve anything. You have to actually be brain dead to think that finger wagging to a bunch of teenagers is going to result in anything, not to mention that you can’t control how parents will raise their kids nor can you control the knowledge parents have of this tech. This is something that can ONLY be solved through legislation.
Yeah I’m going to work on the real root cause which is the culture that promotes uncaring and malicious behavior, regardless of the technology that is being used to exact that behavior.
It’s out of touch to think that this sort of thing don’t happen with more crude tools. Are you going to play wack a mole with every new tool and platform that comes up?
I hate to break it to you, but this is a phenomenon happening all over the world, it’s not unique to any single society or culture. Not to mention that you don’t even have a real proposal in mind. Your grand solution here is demonize boys and wag your finger at their parents, if you think that’s going to achieve anything then you’re really are out of touch.
If all you care about is wagging your finger to feed your weird moral superiority complex, go ahead. However, I don’t have any interest in that. I want to see real, pragmatic, and tangible steps being taken to ensure that we get real results. The reality is that we have a new technology that’s completely unregulated, and this lack of regulation is causing this tech to be utilized in ways that shouldn’t be allowed. Deepfake websites shouldn’t be allowed to operate legally, and kids shouldn’t be able to access them so easily. Will a ban stop everyone? Of course not, however, it will greatly decrease the amount of people seeking because it’s not longer convenient to do so That’s how we can prevent situation like this one.
hey everyone photoshop just got invented you couldn’t edit or merge photos before this
Have you ever tried using photoshop? It’s harder and more intensive than it looks. There’s a reason why fake nudes exploded in popularity only after deepfake AI sites became a thing. You literally only need to find a website and upload a picture to get a deepfake nude. For photoshop, you got to download video editing software, learn to use it, and then actually do the work. Like seriously, people in this thread live in some alternate world. Lemmy is such a bubble.
Ikr
I hope they win the lawsuit.
I have a feeling it was the oh-so-popular “0 tolerance” policy that she was punished and he wasn’t. Because the policy didn’t cover what he did. And schools these days love to avoid accountability or being adults when it matters.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
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He made revenge porn of her. Revenge child porn.
He’s lucky she didn’t rip out her throat.
I can tell you for certain, that a lot of trolls do the stupid shit that they do online, because they act with a huge sense of entitlement. They all talk like nobody has ever cuffed them good in the mouth for the dumbest shit they say or do. It honestly shows from all walks on the internet.
People try reasoning with trolls, doesn’t work. People try reporting trolls, it works some of the time. People try holding trolls accountable for their actions and the authority have a bare grasp on things online.
I bet you if people knew more where their trolls are hiding, there would be massive beat-downs that there’d never be an asshole online again.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
HL Mencken
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
Hey guy, YOU don’t get to make explicit videos/pictures of whatever weird shit you want if it involves another person.
This involved a real little girl who now knows for a fact that there’s a little boy who sees her boundaries as non-existent and just uses her body however the fuck he wants with no regard to her feelings.
Get all the way fucked. I wish she beat his ass for this.
Exactly. Even if this was two adults it’d still be incredibly fucked up and wrong and, if in a workplace, should be a slam dunk win in a lawsuit
I never said it was acceptable and the perpetrator was punished by the law.
if you think it’s acceptable to use violence to respond to AI videos being made of you, you need serious help.
Hopefully you, or your children, don’t get their ass kicked or worse trying to be macho. It happens all the time.
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
It’s porn.
She’s a child.
It’s child porn.
Her first response wasn’t violence. She was let down badly by the school then pushed and pushed until she hit him.
A person putting a hidden camera in a child’s bathroom to get videos of them naked is also child porn and they also deserve violence upon them.
Making sexually explicit AI videos of minors absolutely deserves violence
If the article instead said the girls father who happens to be Mike Tyson punched the 13 year old boy so hard he had brain damage I could see an argument for that possibly being excessive.
With an emphasis on “possibly”
You are either uninformed or callous to the amount of damage that those videos can have to a 13yr old girl.
But the actions that boy took likely permanently altered that girls life for the worse including a significantly higher chance of suicide
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That was what was stated and also seems to be agreed is the correct response to
child pornsorry “sexualy explicit AI videos of minors”.
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
You’re making yourself look like a pedocnore than anything. Playing devils advocate over CSAM makes you the bad guy.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
I’m poking holes in his argument heehee!
These are real fucking people. Get some empathy.
Imagine creating an account just to go and try to make the argument that some depictions of child pornogrophy isn’t as bad as children being raped. Because you feel the need to compare and rank them, why exactly?
I don’t know if you’re serious or think you’re being some edgy troll. Regardless. Please go to the nearest mirror and ask yourself if this truly is the best version of yourself.
Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
A new account defending sexual assault? Classy.
Go back to reddit, pervert.
I love the double down edit.
I’m convinced that kids starting to get in so much trouble for fighting (really started up about 30 years ago) is why so many people have grown up being little assholes. No one grew up learning consequences for being a dick.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
She got expelled for doing something stupid at 13. Are they the same?
What about 14? Is it ok then?
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
Until at least 18 he should be. Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal. Sharing it with classmates is seriously sick behavior. He sounds like an aspiring rapist and needs a serious wake up call.
Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal.
Uhhh… ok… You’re entitled to your opinion. But I feel confident that the rest of us who doesn’t make deep fake sexual images of others would disagree with you. It is a big deal.
I think they meant. “…not that big a deal” as “it’s really easy to do” - based on the rest of their comment.
Check this dude’s hard drives
Only once she hit him.
I’m flabbergasted that the school wouldn’t let her call her parents. I don’t see how they have the right to do that without parental permission, not matter the reason why. But that supports violence. She tried what she was taught to do. The adults in the building failed. So she stood up for herself.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
When I worked on the help desk I used to suggest to my boss that we should get one free “go off on a caller” per month and that it would do wonders for morale. He did not agree with me.
I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
Welp there is a diff between not encouraging violence and saying violence should never be used in any circumstances, you are right that major revolutions and resistance always have an element of violence in them, thats a different thing
But in a normal everyday life resorting to violence should be the last resort, its unpredictable, not just (what if your bully is stronger than u?) and undermines rule of law, I was replying in the context of the comment abt having a punch card to be used every 6 months, not in context of resistance or revolutions, sorry if the distinction was not understandable
yeah i thought about that after making the comment, solid points
Hopefully you don’t get picked by Deonte Wilder. Kinda a death sentence for anyone that
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We have fists for a reason. And in this case, I believe it’s justified.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
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The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
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i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
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“See kids? This is why you shouldn’t smoke pot.”
A very big issue with our education system is that there’s no nuance in it. The way the system is set up makes it so that schools are incentivized to compete with each other to please the district, and the district to please the state. That’s how they get their funding. What this leads to is schools putting their best interests ahead of their students. If schools prioritized the students, they would’ve taken the context of the story and punished the bully and not the victim. However, since they prioritize themselves, they tried to keep the story under wraps to avoid bad PR, and expelled her regardless of context so they can distant themselves and save their image.
Was he expelled though? Only physical violence is an expellable offense? Making porn of a classmate and sharing it doesn’t get you expelled? What the fuck?
Would that be CSAM? Seems pretty serious if it was any 13 year old girl period.
My personal opinion - if he had not SHARED it with anyone and it was AI, I would chalk it up to teenage boy messing around, nobody was hurt, right? Sharing it with his friends is different, so different. That is distribution, and hardcore bullying that should get you expelled, if one punch gets her expelled. I don’t really have any idea of what the laws say when it’s a child doing this with a peer.
If it’s not CSAM then it should be
If a child deliberately burns down a house, is it not arson? Crimes are still crimes, even when there is no legally culpable party. Falling trees do make a sound, even when nobody can hear them.
The kid who did needs to be treated as an offender in every way but legally. Mandatory counselling, school-based corrections, suspension, that sort of thing.
