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  • I agree with you. My point is simply that I will “lie” to them in some ways. I have to lie to them that social workers are “safe” to help them to find us while knowing that dangerous people would seek out these jobs. And I will have to make it seem safer as it is because a young child is unable to understand the concept of likelihood. And I want them to start talking to a stranger (e.g. the policeman), they need the confidence that it is safe.

    Eventually, they will understand that we are simplying things when we taught them about the world.

    In both cases, I don’t think a child will feel like we were lying them. Just like I didn’t feel lied to.

    “Normalizing lying” is just a silly critic.

    I am opposed to making them write Santa a letter or making them “meet” Santa. As i think there is a difference between

    • telling them about the concept
    • letting them watch a christmas movies
    • maybe telling them that Santa comes when they go to bed

    And making them interact with “santa”.

    That is my line. I am not saying, it is better or worse than yours or theirs. But that discussion is on a different level than “Normalizing lying”.


  • What argument? You parroted an question. That you think you made an argument, highlights that you parroted the question. Even if you want to understand the question as an argument, a basic inspection of the implied premise that lying is bad, is enough to dismiss the argument as lazy and surface-level.

    If you don’t like it when people call your output boring, say something worthwhile.


  • This is such a boring thing that people say all the time.

    Lying is normal. You should be lying. Lying isn’t morally wrong if it is not done for morally wrong reasons. My child should be lying to me. I should be lying to my child.

    And my children will understand the difference between lying to e.g. prevent a surprise to be ruined and lying to avoid facing consequences.

    It is such a black and white thinking. It is so boring too. I will teach my children violence because 1 day, they might need it too.

    And sidenote: e.g. telling your child that they can “trust” the security or the police if they get lost in a large crowd, is a lie. But one that is true enough that the child is safer with them than alone in a crowd. Telling your child that e.g. a electrical signal is travelling from the tv station through a wire to your tv, would be a lie if there is some fiber cables somewhere between them, or a satellite connection. Yes, simplifications are lying. We will lie anyway to enable them to navigate the far too complex world and slowly learn about the real underlying complexities.

    And obviously, there is a difference between making them write letters to Santa and telling them Santa brings gifts for Christmas.














  • How am I gatekeeping?

    I am not telling anyone to use Linux in anyway or to not use it in anyway. I am just pointing out that the average user wants a pretty/convenient gui and not the most efficient tool. That isn’t bad. I don’t want to eat some weird mixture of nutrients because it is optimal, I want to eat food that I enjoy eating.

    I am calling out the weird focus on efficiency of software when the average user wants a good user experience. The user’s desire is not good nor bad, they just highlights that focusing on criticising efficiency of software is a strange thing to do, if the customer desires something else. It is like complaining that grindr is lacking heterosexual people.


  • I know. That is why I started my statement by stating that I don’t like the framing. It treats “efficiency” as the point of software. As the thing, that we should care about when judging software.

    But it isn’t. It is user experience. And yes, efficiency is part of that. Both, efficiency in execution and efficiency of use.

    And the user experience has improved a lot (ignoring intentional anti patterns to exploit the user that are fairly common, but i think we can agree to ignore that for the sake of the conversation)


  • E.g. From the terminal, I open a known file far more quickly then through an gui. Even if I want to use a gui for the file, issuing the opening command is quicker in the terminal.

    GUIs often require the user to scan the interface to find the relevant information as the developer didn’t know what you are actually searching.

    With a terminal, the user can be much more precise in what they seeking and consequently, less information is provided and less information needs to be scanned by the user.


    The average user doesn’t want to remember and type a specific phrase to do something though. Even if it is “faster” and more “efficient”, the user want to be guided towards the information. The user wants a good user experience, not a fast/efficient one.

    Pretty and guided, that is what the average user wants. Modern software is pretty and guided, not efficient and fast. Yes, developer became lazy in optimisation and like to use some big framework to save dev time. But the user also wanted it that way by wanting pretty GUIs because that is easier with the big frameworks.