browsing through All has so much pro-fascist posts coming from lemmygrad that it drowns out all the other instances. I’m surprised they’re even federated by default but we should have an option to block instances from All if lemmy is deadset on federating with them just because they are fascists with a red and yellow flag…

(before the Tankies start posting about how they aren’t pro-fascism “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)

  • YouWillNeverBeAWoman@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    Even though I don’t particularly like or agree with the attitude or points of lemmygrad users, I still think there should be no blocking/defederation on instance level.

    IMHO it’s a fundamental design flaw of lemmy, that the instance administrators have the ability to prevent their users from accessing content from certain other instances just because of their different (political/ideological) orientation. Being exposed to other opinions, even though you don’t like or agree with them, is very important. Yet this seems to become an increasingly rare phenomenon. Even if an instance doesn’t want to promote the posts of another, the users should still be able to decide on their own, which community to subscribe or block. I’d love to see more features for that.

    From reading the comments in this or other threads, I can see that it wont take long until lemmy will go the same echo chambered and biased way reddit went and ultimately this will be its demise. Alienating everyone who questions the current development with “Just go somewhere else” or “Get lost and host your own instance” is certainly the best way to go for ensuring only the right people stay for the infinite circle jerk…

    • sexy_peach@feddit.de
      1·
      2 years ago

      IMHO it’s a fundamental design flaw of lemmy, that the instance administrators have the ability to prevent their users from accessing content from certain other instances just because of their different (political/ideological) orientation.

      This is called moderation… It’s basically the same thing as deleting individual comments that don’t fit the rules.

      • YouWillNeverBeAWoman@lemmy.ml
        0·
        2 years ago

        I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any moderation. But there’s a difference between deleting a post and preventing whole communities to be accessed because of a subjective sense of what is the correct viewpoint on [topic], be it political, ideological or else.

        I could imagine a setting where other instances’ posts/communities aren’t shown on the All page, but could still be subscribed / viewed by the user if he requests it.

    • gun@lemmy.ml
      1·
      2 years ago

      I think the instances should be fully connected as possible, but this isn’t a design flaw that admins can block instances. It is their resources going into hosting, so they should be able to decide how they want to run their own instances. Having the software prevent them from doing this would be developer overreach.

    • NXL@lemmy.mlOP
      11·
      2 years ago

      sounds like a great way to have lemmy overun with spam and fascist propaganda…

  • uthredii@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    The views on lemmygrad are very much outside the general acceptable norms for the English speaking internet.

    Even if you agree with their views, you must admit that it is very off putting for most people who come to Lemmy.ml.

    I think the purpose of a default instance should be to showcase the software, not to showcase the current community (which is dominated by lemmygrad users right now)…

    I think either:

    1. We should have a new default instance.
    2. Have no default instance.
    3. Lemmy.ml should stop federating with lemmygrad.

    Personally I have been using and promoting Lemmy less because I find the lemmygrad content off putting. I feel a similar way about this content as I did about place like r/thedonald in 2016.

  • thervingi@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    Yes please! I have nothing against Lemmygrad, but I also don’t want them to overwhelm everything else from my All feed. Please let us block entire instances, not just communities.

      • kvjxq@beehaw.org
        1·
        2 years ago

        I think the point is that this shouldn’t be necessary. Individual users should be able to filter out entire instances without having to jump to an entirely new account.

  • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
    0·
    2 years ago

    (before the Tankies start posting about how they aren’t pro-fascism “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)

    This would also describe America.

    So unless you want to ban all liberals and supporters of America (which would mean you) you need to tighten your funtionally useless definition of fascism. You should start by reading an actual book and learning the history of fascism.

    When you misuse the word fascism to describe things that are not fascism you mis-educate huge wide swathes of people on what fascism actually is. In doing so you HELP actual fascists rehabilitate their ideology. You are helping fascists by calling something that is not fascism, fascism.

    • NXL@lemmy.mlOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      no one on any instance is cheering on anything the US does especially not its occupation or invasion of any country…

      • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
        1·
        2 years ago

        I’m not cheering it on either. Some elements of the left are, some aren’t. That’s ok. I can understand some of our younger marxist-leninists getting caught up in it. The vast majority of MLs are quite critical and reflect a position closer to Cuba’s official statement on the matter.

        What I critically support is what brings the fastest end to the bloodshed of the people. That right now is a swift victory because clearly the west wants Ukraine to sacrifice the entire population in a war that it can not win, for the interests of the US. I would much prefer for negotiations to happen immediately and for things to stop right now but that clearly is impossible as the political opposition to the war within Ukraine has been entirely suppressed by the far right, all anti-war parties have been banned, and all tv channels that do not push a pro-war position have been closed. The only narrative that exists is the drums of war, and this makes it completely impossible to negotiate an end to the war.

        • NXL@lemmy.mlOP
          1·
          2 years ago

          weird that you think ukraine should just accept “swift victory” by the fascist Z army but dont think cuba should just accept “swift victory” by the US or Palestine by Israel etc…

          none of the countries should accept “swift victory” by those invading and trying to commit genocide against them. You should unequivocally stand against imperialism but you dont because right now the ones invading wave a flag you like.

    • lisko@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      2 years ago

      Imagine, lemmy.ml claims to be about privacy but supports the PRC, which is like the most anti-privacy organization on the planet.

      • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
        0·
        2 years ago

        which is like the most anti-privacy organization on the planet.

        China passed new data privacy laws that are as strong as Europe’s GDPR at the end of last year, when is the last time America improved data privacy instead of harming it? Their data protection is much much stronger than America’s and much like europe they dump fines in the millions on companies that break it now. It’s arguably stronger than europe.

          • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
            0·
            2 years ago

            The US government has backdoors into every single US-based tech platform (which is basically all of them) and you’re concerned about China doing mass surveillance?

            You are under mass surveillance. Five Eyes and other intelligence sharing alliances are a means of circumventing national privacy laws, the US has Britain do mass surveillance on US citizens and then that data is shared to the NSA and stored, the US does mass surveillance on British, NZ, Aus citizens and then that data is shared to them and stored by their intelligence services. The collective west has the largest and most comprehensive global mass surveillance apparatus in the world and yet you’re utterly obsessed with China. Why? Five Eyes, Nine Eyes and it’s now all the way up to Fourteen Eyes.

            Take off the propaganda goggles and look at the immense proportions of the western apparatus first. You seem to be utterly blind to the fact everything you see about China is MASSIVE projection from the west who are 20-30 years ahead of China in terms of this apparatus.

            And to answer your question, China’s law does not exempt the government. They require a warrant to access that data unlike in america and parts of europe.

            • lisko@sopuli.xyz
              1·
              2 years ago

              Your whataboutism is pretty useless. China also uses its tech companies for spying. China’s mass surveillance program is larger and more ambitious. If anyone has been duped by propaganda it’s you.

              • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.ml
                1·
                2 years ago

                “Whataboutism”. Bruh.

                If you say something is bad you are INHERENTLY making a comparison to other things. You can not call one thing bad without benchmarking it against other things and gauging a comparison of a range of good to bad.

                It is important to benchmark this because it highlights unexamined chauvinism, sinophobia and internal hypocrisy that you have. You have an extreme emotional reaction to anything Chinese and make the claim they’re horrific but you don’t actually compare the reality of the west with what China is. You claim they are the worst, you have done this multiple times in the thread, this is YOU making the comparison to others so OF COURSE I’m going to examine whether your comparison is remotely accurate.

                I will end this interaction by pointing you to this list of US atrocities, managed by Dessalines himself.

                Tell me again how China is the worst one here.

                Do you spend this much time attacking America? Or the rest of the west? No you don’t. Despite the fact they are objectively and measurably worse. Because you’re a chauvinist that has never done one ounce of self crit or examined your own contradictions.

                • lisko@sopuli.xyz
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  I’ve criticized America much more than I ever criticized China. You are hypocritically collecting lists of US crimes and not Chinese crimes. Hmm I wonder why you neglect that. Oh yes confirmation bias.

                  Anyway your assessment of me is baseless. Keep harping on that dumb claim that I hate China.

            • lisko@sopuli.xyz
              1·
              2 years ago

              That’s all tied under US surveillance. The PRC has its social media operations and tech companies too. Basically everything you hate about the USA, they are doing it too

              • m532@lemmy.ml
                0·
                2 years ago

                They are not flying over half the globe to murder people there. They do not murder the poor. They do not create neonazis. They do not exempt the rich from laws. They do not let people die from covid. They do not force people to have a car. They have a no first strike nuclear policy. They do not have school shootings. They do not have police that protects school shooters. They do not have hollywood. They do not have melon husk. They do not have a history of genociding a whole continent. They banned bitcoin mining. They did not create facebook. They do not have 100s of military bases. They did not privatize their space sector.

                • lisko@sopuli.xyz
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  This is not entirely accurate, but you are right that they haven’t developed to that stage yet of invading countries on the other side of the world, but if the power level gets high enough that’s exactly what will happen. USA was also where China is at now and it took a while to get to that point. China has its own version of some of the things you mentioned, and some other things that are not pleasant. Your optimism that China will be a better hegemon than past ones in history is sadly naive.

  • krolden@lemmy.ml
    0·
    2 years ago

    147 (now 148) comments on this crap. Why is it we can’t seem to get a liveley discussion like this but on a topic that isn’t some crybaby infighting?

    Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swallowing whole.

  • ysu@lemmy.ml
    0·
    2 years ago

    Yeah, I just browsed all for the first time in a while, and its just lemmygrad. First post is about how Russia is “liberating” Ukraine. Literal fascists.

    • NXL@lemmy.mlOP
      0·
      2 years ago

      they also have a community dedicated to brigading other websites which seems like it should violate TOS if it werent for all the stars on their instance it would be difficult to tell them apart from a MAGA forum

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
    02·
    2 years ago

    Lmao, that’s the funniest thing i read all day.

    Not to mention you can do it. Click on settings, there will be a tab “blockades”. Write what you want and voila you won’t have to rack your brain ever again with concepts that make your imperialist programmed brain too uncomfortable.

    I would recommend getting back to reddit though.

  • gun@lemmy.ml
    14·
    2 years ago

    I support this feature. But Wikipedia is not an authority on what fascism is. The dictionary attempts to describe the usage of a word in this case as it relates to an objective phenomenon. Before we can attempt this description, an understanding of the objective phenomenon must be had. We can rely on definitions for understood phenomena like water, jogging, or birds. But what exactly fascism is is a hotly debated topic, not a well understood phenomenon that we hold absolute knowledge and certainty of. Even your dictionary source admits it is a characterization of fascism, not exactly a definition.

    A conservative will reason discursively that Hitler was a leftist, because the Left can be defined as more government, so Fascism is far left. In the same way, that buzzfeed employee could argue their own view of what misogyny is. To them, when a man spreads their legs in public, this is the sexist act of manspreading.

    What these people (and you) are doing is taking a word that has a strongly negative connotation, arguing for an expanded categorization of this word in an attempt to rub off that connotation on something else. But all this succeeds in doing is devaluing said word.

    Fascism has a negative connotation because its consequence was the death of 60-100 million people. That has nothing to do with Bernie supporters wanting to give people free healthcare. The “more government” connection (what even does ‘more government’ mean?) has to be proven more than circumstantial. Likewise, sexism has a negative connotation because of rape, women in the past not having basic rights like the right to vote, etc. But a man letting his balls get some air has nothing to do with that, even if people find it a little rude.

    They have algebraically replaced a world phenomenon with a term, much like a mathematician replaces a quantity with the letter ‘X’ on paper. Then they have discursively reasoned using the term, not the phenomenon. You can find the length of a square’s side from the root of the area. We have a square that is 4 cm2. So what is √4? Math tells us that it is ±2. So a square in real life can have a negative length? This is the lunacy that you will accept with analytical reasoning if you do not understand its premises.

    So instead of lazily giving us a definition full of nebulous terms, why not prove to me that any similarities between modern Russia and the Fascist countries are more than circumstantial? What is the unity behind these particular examples? All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a “strong regimentation of society” so you’re just flat out wrong there.