• fluxion@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Seriously, people… throwing out your best option because you want better one down the road…

    It’s a strategy… I used it to protest the DNC in 2016… BUT IT REQUIRES YOU STILL HAVE A DEMOCRACY AND NOT A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP RUN BY AN INSURRECTIONIST. YOU FUCKED IT.

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      17 hours ago

      Who fucked it?

      There are 2 sides of this. Why is it always “vote for me or else…” and never “propose a good platform for us or else…”?

      Dems are actively trying to demolish the leading candidate in NY. They’re about to do the same thing in this case. But “it’s us of fascists”. You think you’ll have a better chance later? You won’t, that’s part of the playbook!

      In France, Macron propped the far-right before his second term, so that on 2nd round of presidential elections (direct election in 2 rounds: 1st many candidates, 2nd only the 2 highest scores from the first), he would face the far right candidate, and then “vote for me or else…”.

      This has to stop. They’re not naive and stupid, they know very very well what they’re doing: coercing you to vote for them.

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        12 hours ago

        I know what they are doing too. I also know what their opponents are doing, and understand that you need a functioning democracy to have any hope of a better candidate down the road. Maybe Hitler’s opposition sucked too but can you imagine they would have made things any worse?

        There is no perfect strategy, everything is case by case, everything involves weighing pros and cons, and you are under-estimating the cons of an eternal fascist dictatorship under these pedophile-protecting/genocidal/theocratic/insurrectionist/anti-LGBTQ thugs by a massive degree when you think this will all be worth it at some point. Keep convincing yourself this is all just dem propaganda if it makes you feel better but this is fucking reality and it’s time to wake the fuck up.

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          Democrats weren’t offering a functioning democracy. They were offering a hostage situation in which they were threatening everyone with fascism if they didn’t vote for the genocidal shit they appointed without a primary.

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          7 hours ago

          Hitler’s opposition sucked too but can you imagine they would have made things any worse?

          They literally appointed Hitler

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          12 hours ago

          You’re going straight to that permanent fascism today. Trump won. The Dems are disgusting a growing part of their voters base. If you were redoing elections today, I’m not even sure the outcome would be different. It would come down to who repels their voters the fastest.

          How soft the Dems are with Trump is a mirror of what we see in France: the “centrists” are totally compatible with fascism! They can “work with that”. If not the actual politicians, their big donors, who are really setting the direction, will have no issue adapting to a dictatorship. They will play the us vs them game, but you get closer and closer to total fascism.

          Re-electing the Dems as they are will not move you away from it. It will just make the journey longer.

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      18 hours ago

      We are all responsible, nobody is more responsible than somebody else. Compromising on politicians that don’t even come close to representing the American people is not going to win 2026 or 2028 and get us anything different than MAGA.

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        18 hours ago

        Yes, just like me on 2016. Still waiting on my wonderful 3rd party progressive candidate to take back America. Maybe once they start rounding up and deporting non-Republican Party members we’ll finally see someone come along?

        Yes, let us take comfort in our delusions of the future while the world crumbles around us.

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        18 hours ago

        It’ll get me a world where I’m not actively hunted down for my sexuality or skin color, so that would be nice.