I’m bracing myself for downvotes / banning, but I’m posting (from Minneapolis) to provide some context.
A more extensive, contemporaneous description of the convention is here, and the NY Times article geneva_conveniencellater linked explains a bit more.
My understanding / the short version is that the convention was very disorganized / poorly run, and didn’t follow its own rules. Frey’s campaign / delegates noticed irregularities right away, raised concerns (now found to be justified) that were dismissed, and ended up walking out in protest. It was understood that Frey wasn’t likely to actually win the nomination, but could have feasibly prevented any endorsement (which Minneapolis DFL hasn’t given since 2009).
My take is that Minneapolis DFL, whether from incompetence, or improper bias in favor of Fateh, or a conspiracy of Frey supporters in leadership that just wanted to provide grounds to invalidate the results, really fucked up here. Maybe Fateh could have still won the endorsement if all the ballots in the first round were counted, but we’ll never know, because the second round would have been different. As it stands, I presume this is costing Fateh’s campaign a bunch of money to reprint campaign signs/materials, pull ads, etc, that cited the endorsement.
I don’t doubt that the establishment democrats would have found other things to complain about if Fateh had properly won this endorsement, but this was definitely not clean/proper, so withdrawing the endorsement is an appropriate course of action.
I would recommend you actually do some research before you try typing a long post trying to explain to people what’s going on.
From my understanding, this is not the fault of Fateh, but of the Democratic Party themselves, screwing up the excel sheet of one guy who probably didn’t even matter.
Claiming this is a valid reason to throw the entire victory of the democratic socialists overboard seems outrageous.
The entire election process was already set up, super confusing, which seems to be done on purpose to prevent less wealthy candidates from running.
From my understanding, this is not the fault of Fateh, but of the Democratic Party themselves […]
This is what I said.
Claiming this is a valid reason to throw the entire victory of the democratic socialists overboard seems outrageous.
The reason it matters is because of the nature of successive rounds of voting. When the missing (~175 / 1000) votes got counted (in retrospect), it showed an additional candidate should have been included in the second round of voting. And the democratic leadership pushed ahead with the flawed second round of voting without addressing the problem. I don’t remember all the details, but I believe the final vote also broke their own procedural requirements (in addition to Frey’s delegates having already walked out in protest).
I don’t know their procedures (and welcome a source/explanation), but clearly the absence of an endorsement since 2009 indicates it’s not easy to get the endorsement, and having an additional candidate in the second round of voting certainly seems like it has the potential to reduce the chances of a candidate securing the endorsement. I think it’s entirely reasonable, particularly in that context, to withdraw the endorsement.
Edit to add: I also agree that the primary/convention system, procedures, etc, probably do favor candidates supported by “the establishment”.
I can provide additional context as a convention attendee.
After the first round of voting, it was clear that Omar would have a majority. He earned 43% of the vote and other non-Frey voters were expected to vote Omar after seeing the results and knowing that 60% was needed for an endorsement.
At this point, Frey’s campaign started shenanigans that drew boos from the crowd. They called many times for rule changes and stall for time to prevent a second vote. Late into the night, Frey’s campaign went so far as to ask their delegates to go home to prevent a quorum.
Every deviation from convention rules was voted on and approved using procedure. Was it a shitshow? Yes. But in my view, it was done within the rules.
I’m bracing myself for downvotes / banning, but I’m posting (from Minneapolis) to provide some context.
A more extensive, contemporaneous description of the convention is here, and the NY Times article geneva_conveniencel later linked explains a bit more.
My understanding / the short version is that the convention was very disorganized / poorly run, and didn’t follow its own rules. Frey’s campaign / delegates noticed irregularities right away, raised concerns (now found to be justified) that were dismissed, and ended up walking out in protest. It was understood that Frey wasn’t likely to actually win the nomination, but could have feasibly prevented any endorsement (which Minneapolis DFL hasn’t given since 2009).
My take is that Minneapolis DFL, whether from incompetence, or improper bias in favor of Fateh, or a conspiracy of Frey supporters in leadership that just wanted to provide grounds to invalidate the results, really fucked up here. Maybe Fateh could have still won the endorsement if all the ballots in the first round were counted, but we’ll never know, because the second round would have been different. As it stands, I presume this is costing Fateh’s campaign a bunch of money to reprint campaign signs/materials, pull ads, etc, that cited the endorsement.
I don’t doubt that the establishment democrats would have found other things to complain about if Fateh had properly won this endorsement, but this was definitely not clean/proper, so withdrawing the endorsement is an appropriate course of action.
I would recommend you actually do some research before you try typing a long post trying to explain to people what’s going on.
From my understanding, this is not the fault of Fateh, but of the Democratic Party themselves, screwing up the excel sheet of one guy who probably didn’t even matter.
Claiming this is a valid reason to throw the entire victory of the democratic socialists overboard seems outrageous.
The entire election process was already set up, super confusing, which seems to be done on purpose to prevent less wealthy candidates from running.
Oopsie.
They get no benefit of the doubt. This was on purpose.
This is what I said.
The reason it matters is because of the nature of successive rounds of voting. When the missing (~175 / 1000) votes got counted (in retrospect), it showed an additional candidate should have been included in the second round of voting. And the democratic leadership pushed ahead with the flawed second round of voting without addressing the problem. I don’t remember all the details, but I believe the final vote also broke their own procedural requirements (in addition to Frey’s delegates having already walked out in protest).
I don’t know their procedures (and welcome a source/explanation), but clearly the absence of an endorsement since 2009 indicates it’s not easy to get the endorsement, and having an additional candidate in the second round of voting certainly seems like it has the potential to reduce the chances of a candidate securing the endorsement. I think it’s entirely reasonable, particularly in that context, to withdraw the endorsement.
Edit to add: I also agree that the primary/convention system, procedures, etc, probably do favor candidates supported by “the establishment”.
I can provide additional context as a convention attendee.
After the first round of voting, it was clear that Omar would have a majority. He earned 43% of the vote and other non-Frey voters were expected to vote Omar after seeing the results and knowing that 60% was needed for an endorsement.
At this point, Frey’s campaign started shenanigans that drew boos from the crowd. They called many times for rule changes and stall for time to prevent a second vote. Late into the night, Frey’s campaign went so far as to ask their delegates to go home to prevent a quorum.
Every deviation from convention rules was voted on and approved using procedure. Was it a shitshow? Yes. But in my view, it was done within the rules.
Don’t worry about convenience, they’re always spouting Russian Propoganda.
“Everyone to my left is Russian!”