• Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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    10 hours ago

    The Democratic Party is a honey pot trap used to attract and neutralize progressive and leftist politicians and policies and ensure that the “Overton Window” of American politics never moves left. They will let you “talk” about universal healthcare, for example, but they will never, EVER allow it to move forward as a serious legislative agenda.

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      Never forget that Obama had two whole years of a significant Democratic majority in both Congress AND Senate, and still somehow couldn’t muster the cojones to pass anything even close to the socialised healthcare he’d campaigned on and had a huge popular mandate for.

      Someone please explain why it is that when Republicans are the minority they have the ability to block absolutely everything the ruling party attempts, and yet when the Democrats are in opposition suddenly somehow it’s impossible for them to do anything?

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        Obama actually ran on the heritage foundation Romney care plan. It was Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary that actually ran on a public option.

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          He didn’t pass that either, though, only a massively watered-down version of it packed with every compromise the Republicans demanded, to make sure that the healthcare companies still got to keep over 15% of households in medical debt.

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        Socialized healthcare was filibustered by every single republican, and in the 72 days they had supermajority WITH INDEPENDENTS one of which opposed public option, they passed the medicaid expansion which gave healthcare and in some cases dental to tens of millions of people. The time period you’re talking about was also the most productive congress on record since the mid 20th century.

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      Clearly it’s not working because despite progressive stances being a wide majority we haven’t elected more than 48 DNC since 2013.

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      See I think that kind of defeatist logic is the trap - they flood the internet with pessimism and “there’s no point in trying” and “there’s no point in voting” to make sure YOU don’t try. To make sure all you do is sit on your ass at home and complain on the internet.

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        I never said any of that shit. The point is that, tactically speaking, we should be dealing with them as they are, and not giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming they are on our side and operating in good faith, like the tired meme of Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown.

        The threat is existential, and there should be qualifying and disqualifying criteria, and that criteria should be set by US, not some party dignitaries, not some fucking “consultants” who are getting money from billionaire funded PAC’s and think tanks.

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        The only way to change America is to remove billionaires from existing. As long as they hold all the power, nothing will get better significantly.

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        That’s not defeatist.

        Defeatism is deciding now, over 3 years before the next election and 15 months before midterms, that there’s no way you get someone elected who actually represents you, so you should just suck it up and vote for Kodos.

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            Lol. “I’m not a Nazi! I blame all our problems on a secret mass conspiracy and infiltration of our society by a completely different race!”

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                4 hours ago

                Yeah yeah, tell us more about how the Judeo-Bolshivik’s are harvesting adrenochrome under Comet Pizzaria. Sure love Nazi conspiracy theories in my “progressive” com