• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I understand Kamala wasn’t exciting

    If you think this is why people stayed home, you understand nothing. Or you understand perfectly well and never want the party to ever move to the left at all.

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      2 days ago

      The party will never move left because people don’t show up to vote in primaries. Then they barely show up in generals. And if Dems ever win, the house only barely gets slim a super majority. So no meaningful legislation gets passed. So then the Dems base gets disillusioned and they barely show up to vote in the next election and the cycle continues.

      Then people on Lemmy come to complain that the party isn’t “left enough” << you are here now

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        The party will never move left because people don’t show up to vote in primaries.

        The primaries we didn’t have last year. The primaries that the party successfully argued in court that it doesn’t have to run fairly. The primaries in which the party protects centrist incumbents like coathanger cuellar from all challenges, but won’t do shit to protect progressive incumbents like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman, since their primary opponents were bought by AIPAC.

        Stop gloating that the primaries are run for the benefit of your wing of the party.

        And if Dems ever win, the house only barely gets slim a super majority. So no meaningful legislation gets passed.

        Stop making excuses.

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            the fact that biden was running at all with everyone knowing he was unfit is disguising. he wasn’t faring any better the Harris. AND the democrats are currently dog pilling progressive candidates for lower positions right now! what are you guys talking about!

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          I’m sorry. Either you

          a) start your own party and put in the work

          b) put in the work and reform the democratic party. Mamdani is doing it. Bernie is doing it. AOC is doing it.

          c) Go on Lemmy and complain endlessly about the status quo and dream about some distant utopia in the future.

          I know what I see on Lemmy day in and out soooooo…

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            a) start your own party and put in the work

            👍

            Glad you acknowledge that option, lots of people on here get mad when I say I voted PSL

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            I’m sorry.

            You’re not. You get everything you want out of the democratic party without having to lift a finger. Especially the genocide support.

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              I see we’re back at option ©. Keep at it, man. Some day things will change for you. Cheers.

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                Condescension after gloating isn’t any better.

                I don’t have the means for a or b and like I said, you get everything you want from democrats without doing anything.

                You must be so disappointed now that there’s a ceasefire. Don’t worry, it won’t last. netanyahu’s good faith exists in equal abundance to your own.

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                  I don’t know why you attribute things to your interlocutors that are not there. It’s a cheap ploy and you do it in every. Single. Conversation. I’ve. Had. With. You.

                  It goes like this: TheFonz: “let’s reform the Democratic party” Ensign_Crab: “so you like genocide, huh?”.

                  Every. Fucking. Time.

                  Why?

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                    You expect no criticism of a party that supports genocide.

                    It goes like this: TheFonz: “let’s reform the Democratic party”

                    You are not advocating for reform. You are advocating for silence from your left.