What did you mean by your reply to the first commenter?
Don’t be coy about you’re bigoted view now, you’ve started the conversation you obviously want to have. Do lets talk, yet again, about how you have this unreasonable hatred of a quarter of the world. You wanna fly over to some random example that suits your argument from Sweden again? That was fun! :p
For those reading on: We’ve talked a lot about their bigoted view on this subject in the past check our comment histories.
Lol, we get into it every few weeks. Its funny, in a depressing sort of way. 😅
Its sad because we share the same server, its a somewhat sub-lemmy community apart, I see unrelated subject comments from them daily and find them interesting. So its a shame theres such an unjustified vitriol against, (waves around generally), Muslims.
Enjoy the rest of the show, and hope to see you next time. Dont forget to buy some merch on your way out! 😆
I don’t answer bad faith questions. Which is what you asked.
No answer to my (bad faith) questions?? Didn’t think so,
beCauSe it GivEs yoU unCoMfORtabLe fEeliNgs (aboUt a QuARtEr of tHe wORld)👍
great line…
Good luck with your bigoted crusade, it was a failure from the beginning.
Its just great that theres Australians like you out there actively fucking our relationship with so many good people, all because you can’t accept you were played to hate the ‘big scary other’ by some spoiled oligarch.
I’ve told you before, i hope you listen to this one day. You don’t judge groups of people for the fews crimes. Everybody worked that out thousands of years ago, about time you took the lesson.
Australia is a country that accepts gay couples, hates the big banks, considers second-generation migrants “Australian”, but the majority feel negatively towards Islam.
51% of Australians had unfavourable sentiments towards Islam, and only 10% looked upon the religion positively, making Australia more negative than 17 of the other 22 countries surveyed.
In fact, 37% of people said they were “very unfavourable”– the most negative response available. This was far higher than the milder option of “fairly unfavourable” (14%), and made it the single most common response to the religion. 23% of people were neutral.
all because you can’t accept you were played to hate the ‘big scary other’ by some spoiled oligarch.
When you say this it’s actually your brain trying to rationalise and harden your beliefs by simplifying mine by throwing quite frankly insulting ad hominems at me
Yes mate it was the oligarch’s🙄
You’ve figured me out, I have no factual or rational reason for hating an awful disgusting backwards religion, I have a simple surface level understanding of it, it’s beliefs and the people who follow it, in your mind I’m a lemming, maybe next you’ll accuse me of watching Sky News or reading news.com.au, something like this, in your mental model I’m a stereotype who’s too dumb to think for himself, and you’re a genius compared to me, of course you are, you’ve thought about it and I’m just following Sky News which I watch every day and also talk back radio and then I agree with everything they say because I’m not smart enough to think for myself…
but anyway, this isn’t about feelings, nor the popularity or unpopularity of Islam, nor for some reason why you never seem to bring up oligarchs or other dumb shit when I criticise Christians/Jews/Hinduism/Astrology/etc
One of the reasons I have no sympathy for Islam is because if I lived in an Islamic country (including but PARTICULARLY those at the top of the chart) my head would be rolling down a hill for a charge of blaspheming against the violent pedo king of Islam, Mohammad
But thankfully I live in the west where I can say such things 🥰
Anyway I’ve missed my train writing this and I need to go home so, have a good one, onto the next :)
Don’t miss your trains on account of writing that. It wasn’t worth it. This prick on the web isn’t worth that.
bring up oligarchs or other dumb shit when I criticise Christians/Jews/Hinduism/Astrology/
No I’m sure I would, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about one in particular. I don’t really come across your commentary of the others. Which is, notable. I actually just upvoted your astrology comment somewhere else in this thread.
Yes mate it was the oligarch’s🙄
Sure, this is me testing theories. I hope I’m wrong, but you give me no reason to believe your disturbing lack of nuance towards a whole group of people in this world isn’t influenced, as so many (including me) are, by these well funded and ongoing campaigns of division.
quite frankly insulting
I try to be reasonable in my arguments, but sometimes the truth hurts…
Ooh! Thats almost as fun a line as yours from before!
because it gives you uncomfortable feelings (about a quarter of the world)👍
I’ve never said all Australians think like me, they definitely don’t, and thats not due to some zero sum framework about dumbness/smartness. Those aren’t terms I think in, which I might be part of the divide.
Thats why I rarely push back on your survey evidence of Australian thoughts. It usually tracks. I criticise your motivations. I try to get you to ask yourself if this crusade is actually good for,
You
Your Nation
World Peace, (which is good for you and your nation).
Promoting hate and division, especially of a huge and such highly varied group to an extent to be almost meaningless, such as ‘islam’ is the very backwards thinking you accuse them of.
Think back to Pauline’s speech last week, ‘monocultural’, is exactly opposite to what is great about this country and backwards as shit. She would certainly be in the red on your chart. The Islamic faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.
No group is made up of only good people, atheists are not some amazing advancement of humanity it does nongood for atheists to think they’re better than anyone else. And theres no such thing as a good people and bad people, thats almost a religious dogma. We’re good and shit to more or lesser degrees at different points in our own lives, thats it.
No I’m sure I would, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about one in particular
Not really, it’s just the easiest to pick on because it’s the worst of the bunch, a dreadfully evil religion, btw every time you say you can’t stereotype lots of people please insert Nazi’s into your argument, eg.
The Islamic faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.
The Nazi faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.
Some Nazi’s want to exterminate the jews, some just like Hitlers post war infrastructure projects and some just like a strong sense of national pride, so many varied views, I’m sure if you had a suburb with thousands of them you’d get a wide variety of views and that’s what makes Australia great 😅
Think back to Pauline’s speech last week, ‘monocultural’, is exactly opposite to what is great about this country and backwards as shit. She would certainly be in the red on your chart.
Yes but what does this have to do with Islam? I think you’ve taken a leap of faith :D that I’m not taking
Promoting hate and division, especially of a huge and such highly varied group to an extent to be almost meaningless, such as ‘islam’ is the very backwards thinking you accuse them of.
There is no level of Islam that I tolerate, I detest it, from page … 2 (tbf page 1 has 7 simple sentences)
As for those who disbelieve—it is the same for them, whether you have warned them, or have not warned them—they do not believe.
God has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. They will have a severe torment.
Back to the Nazi’s again. Every time you think Nazis is a good argument, look in the mirror. They persecute whole groups of people simply for being part of that group.
You have it arse about backwards with this Nazi example. Its an embarrassing argument for you.
I’m no fan of any of those people who went in for that shit, but I’m no fan because they persecuted whole groups of people simply for being a part of that group… exactly what you do with Islamic people, and sounds like other groups as well. Hence why I call you on this.
Quote a book all you want, I hear the Nazi’s liked to refer to a certain ‘story’ as well. Doesn’t take away from the exact same moral failure you demonstrate every single time you judge billions of people to be detestable because, sOme worDs in a bOoK.
Judge people by their moral fibre and character, not by whatever books or other paraphernalia is in their orbit or faith. By judging others by not seeing them as our fellow humans is about as Nazi as it gets, whether the brown shirt is there or not.
You well know enough to know it wasn’t ‘who’ the Nazi’s persecuted. Any group butchered, tortured, demeaned and murdered will be as bad, no matter who does it to who. It wasn’t an especially bad act because they were Jewish or Roma, or Gay. It was the ‘what, how and why’ that was the outrageous act. It was the camps, the rounding up of whole and innocent peoples, the murder, torture and slavery of their captives. Its not who, its what, how and why.
Think about the people in Auschwitz, what was the common characteristic, Bread Thieves? Soldiers? Loiterers? Bus Drivers? No. Jews, Roma, any group as varied as they were many (my line) that the Nazi’s decided were “detestable”…(your line).
Think about the people in Auschwitz, what was the common characteristic, Bread Thieves? Soldiers? Loiterers? Bus Drivers? No. Jews, Roma, any group as varied as they were many (my line) that the Nazi’s decided were “detestable”…(your line).
This is going to deep into Nazism and is moving away from it being a metaphor, the Nazi detestables was built upon lies and random tests of purity, what I’m saying is based upon the literal book they advocate for and for a significant amount of them the beliefs they share.
But since we’re getting too far away from what I’m saying and too much into ww2 history tell me which evil organisation you want to replace the Nazi’s with?
Here are some random examples that you won’t notice a pattern with: 😜
ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria / ISIL / Daesh)
Al-Qaeda
Taliban
Boko Haram
Al-Shabaab
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
:D
I am also not advocating for any sort of punishment or death, I’m simply saying we should not be importing people from the 90% into a country that believes the opposite 90%, it’s a fundamental incompatibility that most Australians seem to be able to grasp that you can’t for some reason.
yeah but i never said islam
Lets start at the beginning: What is it about the chart that made you think i was thinking of islam :)
Best chance to explain your post is now,
What about the graph caught you’re eye?
What made you feel the need to share it?
What did you mean by your reply to the first commenter?
Don’t be coy about you’re bigoted view now, you’ve started the conversation you obviously want to have. Do lets talk, yet again, about how you have this unreasonable hatred of a quarter of the world. You wanna fly over to some random example that suits your argument from Sweden again? That was fun! :p
For those reading on: We’ve talked a lot about their bigoted view on this subject in the past check our comment histories.
Ooohh shit this is some popcorn level lore. Hope I see yall duking it out again someday.
Lol, we get into it every few weeks. Its funny, in a depressing sort of way. 😅
Its sad because we share the same server, its a somewhat sub-lemmy community apart, I see unrelated subject comments from them daily and find them interesting. So its a shame theres such an unjustified vitriol against, (waves around generally), Muslims.
Enjoy the rest of the show, and hope to see you next time. Dont forget to buy some merch on your way out! 😆
Well thanks for playing our “straight man” in this double act lmfao!!!
Love me some merch. Although I am afraid of contributing to any unnecessary discourse over splitting profits… that I won’t be assured I can spectate.
Good to see you’ve dodged the question because it gives you uncomfortable feelings (about a quarter of the world)👍
I don’t answer bad faith questions. Which is what you asked.
No answer to my (bad faith) questions?? Didn’t think so,
great line…
Good luck with your bigoted crusade, it was a failure from the beginning.
Its just great that theres Australians like you out there actively fucking our relationship with so many good people, all because you can’t accept you were played to hate the ‘big scary other’ by some spoiled oligarch.
I’ve told you before, i hope you listen to this one day. You don’t judge groups of people for the fews crimes. Everybody worked that out thousands of years ago, about time you took the lesson.
You mean the majority of us?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/04/australians-accepting-of-migrants-but-negative-towards-islam-poll-finds
When you say this it’s actually your brain trying to rationalise and harden your beliefs by simplifying mine by throwing quite frankly insulting ad hominems at me
Yes mate it was the oligarch’s🙄
You’ve figured me out, I have no factual or rational reason for hating an awful disgusting backwards religion, I have a simple surface level understanding of it, it’s beliefs and the people who follow it, in your mind I’m a lemming, maybe next you’ll accuse me of watching Sky News or reading news.com.au, something like this, in your mental model I’m a stereotype who’s too dumb to think for himself, and you’re a genius compared to me, of course you are, you’ve thought about it and I’m just following Sky News which I watch every day and also talk back radio and then I agree with everything they say because I’m not smart enough to think for myself…
but anyway, this isn’t about feelings, nor the popularity or unpopularity of Islam, nor for some reason why you never seem to bring up oligarchs or other dumb shit when I criticise Christians/Jews/Hinduism/Astrology/etc
One of the reasons I have no sympathy for Islam is because if I lived in an Islamic country (including but PARTICULARLY those at the top of the chart) my head would be rolling down a hill for a charge of blaspheming against the violent pedo king of Islam, Mohammad
But thankfully I live in the west where I can say such things 🥰
Anyway I’ve missed my train writing this and I need to go home so, have a good one, onto the next :)
Don’t miss your trains on account of writing that. It wasn’t worth it. This prick on the web isn’t worth that.
No I’m sure I would, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about one in particular. I don’t really come across your commentary of the others. Which is, notable. I actually just upvoted your astrology comment somewhere else in this thread.
Sure, this is me testing theories. I hope I’m wrong, but you give me no reason to believe your disturbing lack of nuance towards a whole group of people in this world isn’t influenced, as so many (including me) are, by these well funded and ongoing campaigns of division.
I try to be reasonable in my arguments, but sometimes the truth hurts…
Ooh! Thats almost as fun a line as yours from before!
I’ve never said all Australians think like me, they definitely don’t, and thats not due to some zero sum framework about dumbness/smartness. Those aren’t terms I think in, which I might be part of the divide.
Thats why I rarely push back on your survey evidence of Australian thoughts. It usually tracks. I criticise your motivations. I try to get you to ask yourself if this crusade is actually good for,
Promoting hate and division, especially of a huge and such highly varied group to an extent to be almost meaningless, such as ‘islam’ is the very backwards thinking you accuse them of.
Think back to Pauline’s speech last week, ‘monocultural’, is exactly opposite to what is great about this country and backwards as shit. She would certainly be in the red on your chart. The Islamic faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.
No group is made up of only good people, atheists are not some amazing advancement of humanity it does nongood for atheists to think they’re better than anyone else. And theres no such thing as a good people and bad people, thats almost a religious dogma. We’re good and shit to more or lesser degrees at different points in our own lives, thats it.
Not really, it’s just the easiest to pick on because it’s the worst of the bunch, a dreadfully evil religion, btw every time you say you can’t stereotype lots of people please insert Nazi’s into your argument, eg.
The Nazi faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.
Some Nazi’s want to exterminate the jews, some just like Hitlers post war infrastructure projects and some just like a strong sense of national pride, so many varied views, I’m sure if you had a suburb with thousands of them you’d get a wide variety of views and that’s what makes Australia great 😅
Yes but what does this have to do with Islam? I think you’ve taken a leap of faith :D that I’m not taking
There is no level of Islam that I tolerate, I detest it, from page … 2 (tbf page 1 has 7 simple sentences)
https://clearquran.com/002.html
I’m sure this won’t inspire a million acts of severe torment, only positive things can come from this I assume 👎
Back to the Nazi’s again. Every time you think Nazis is a good argument, look in the mirror. They persecute whole groups of people simply for being part of that group.
You have it arse about backwards with this Nazi example. Its an embarrassing argument for you.
I’m no fan of any of those people who went in for that shit, but I’m no fan because they persecuted whole groups of people simply for being a part of that group… exactly what you do with Islamic people, and sounds like other groups as well. Hence why I call you on this.
Quote a book all you want, I hear the Nazi’s liked to refer to a certain ‘story’ as well. Doesn’t take away from the exact same moral failure you demonstrate every single time you judge billions of people to be detestable because, sOme worDs in a bOoK.
Judge people by their moral fibre and character, not by whatever books or other paraphernalia is in their orbit or faith. By judging others by not seeing them as our fellow humans is about as Nazi as it gets, whether the brown shirt is there or not.
You well know enough to know it wasn’t ‘who’ the Nazi’s persecuted. Any group butchered, tortured, demeaned and murdered will be as bad, no matter who does it to who. It wasn’t an especially bad act because they were Jewish or Roma, or Gay. It was the ‘what, how and why’ that was the outrageous act. It was the camps, the rounding up of whole and innocent peoples, the murder, torture and slavery of their captives. Its not who, its what, how and why.
Think about the people in Auschwitz, what was the common characteristic, Bread Thieves? Soldiers? Loiterers? Bus Drivers? No. Jews, Roma, any group as varied as they were many (my line) that the Nazi’s decided were “detestable”…(your line).
This is going to deep into Nazism and is moving away from it being a metaphor, the Nazi detestables was built upon lies and random tests of purity, what I’m saying is based upon the literal book they advocate for and for a significant amount of them the beliefs they share.
But since we’re getting too far away from what I’m saying and too much into ww2 history tell me which evil organisation you want to replace the Nazi’s with?
Here are some random examples that you won’t notice a pattern with: 😜
:D
I am also not advocating for any sort of punishment or death, I’m simply saying we should not be importing people from the 90% into a country that believes the opposite 90%, it’s a fundamental incompatibility that most Australians seem to be able to grasp that you can’t for some reason.
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I took it out specifically just to annoy Lemmy users