As Moscow faced a potentially violent insurrection from Russia's mercenary Wagner Group, Ukraine officials say they gained ground.
  • tl;dr bot@lemmy.worldBEnglish
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    1 year ago

    tl;dr:

    While Russia scrambled to defend itself from its own paramilitary forces on Saturday, Ukrainian leaders said their own forces managed to make advancements in Russian-occupied territory. The Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary organization led by Yevgeny Prigozhin - a former ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin - marched across Russia on Saturday, coming within hours of Moscow. The BBC reported that Ukraine has made advances since launching its counter-offensive on June 4, including in the days and hours before the Wagner Group’s apparently brief insurrection. While Ukraine continued its efforts to retake territory, Russia was forced to defend itself from itself. Before the Wagner Group fighters turned back, Russian security officials were gearing up to defend Moscow.

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  • IgnoreKassandra@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Eh, at least something good came of it. I was really hoping the nazis would kill eachother for a change (azov excluded), but that’s life for you I guess.

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
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      1 year ago

      These maps are on something like a 2 to 3 day delay now.

      They don’t want to give Russia too much information on what’s going on.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
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          1 year ago

          Imagine Russia not having it’s shit together enough to put down a mutiny from a mercenary group.

          We know Russia’s military is a disorganized mess. Even a well-organized military can struggle with getting up to date information from the front lines. A military in an authoritarian country where people are afraid of giving their leader bad news?

          Yeah, Putin doesn’t know what’s going on in Ukraine. Best to keep him thinking that The glorious Russian Army has destroyed 4000 Leopard 2 tanks today and the Ukrainian counter offensive has been a complete failure, just as his staff is telling him.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            1 year ago

            You must inhabit an alternate universe where Russia didn’t put down the mutiny of a mercenary group under 24 hours without bloodshed. Meanwhile, Russia’s military is such a disorganized west that Ukraine ran into a wall trying to do their offensive after being pump full of the best weapons the west has to offer. One has to be utterly delusional to think that an offensive that failed to reach the first line of defence after 4 weeks is anything but a complete failure. Here’s how things were expected to go by the way https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/

            • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
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              1 year ago

              Yeah they “put down” Wagner by giving in to the demands of Prigozhin. That’s what happened in the universe I inhabit.

              Putin was humiliated and proven to be weak.

              Sorry that the great Red Army reborn turned out to be more like the army of Czar Nicholas II in 1917.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                1 year ago

                What demands of Prigozhin did they give in to, be specific. Last I checked his demands were that Shoigu and Gerasimov have to be replaced. Last I checked they’re still in the same positions they were in, but maybe you know something I don’t? Or more likely you have no clue regarding the topic you’re attempting to debate.

                • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  1 year ago

                  Generally when there’s a coup, those complicit either go to prison or are executed.

                  After this “failed coup”, Prigozhin can go back to Africa with the men loyal to him. He avoids having to be in the front lines during the Ukrainian counter offensive and does so while appearing strong. I suspect Prigozhin has a better sense of how the Ukrainian counter offensive will go than you do. He avoids a possible collapse of the Russian Federation. When things go badly for Russia, he can say he warned everyone, and did what he could to prevent it. When the Putin regime collapses he will be well regarded in Russia.

                  And that’s just the parts of the deal that are publicly known.

                  Meanwhile what did Putin get? One day he addressed the nation and declared Prigozhin a criminal and terrorist. Then the next day Prigozhin marches on Moscow. Then suddenly all is forgiven, Prigozhin and Wagner are not criminals and terrorists. Kinda a bad look isn’t it? Just letting criminals and terrorists off the hook like that?

                  Seems the only thing Putin got was he didn’t get removed from power. And even that’s not certain… has Putin been seen publicly since his address where he declared Prigozhin a back-stabbing criminal? I guess we’ll have to wait and see…

        • Lemminary@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          1 year ago

          I don’t like getting downvoted for my opinions either and I understand that upsets a lot of us but you’re coming off a little harsh in various comments despite how right you are. Chill out a bit, my guy 👍

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        I’m not really seeing any territory worth a mention on the map. Seems like another one of claims Ukraine likes to make that doesn’t have any substance behind it.

        edit: not sure what exactly people are downvoting, there’s no meaningful change on the live pro Ukrainian map