While the full list of demands is still being added to, discussed, edited and submitted to a legal expert, some of our basic demands are as follows:
Protection and permanent guarantee of civil rights for all
Total government reform
Publicly funded health care
Adequate and accessible disability support and services
A permanent solution to Homelessness, hunger and the housing crisis
Respect and support for tribal Sovereignty and involvement with indigenous leadership for environmental action
Enhanced enforcement of constitutional rights
More power to american voters
I hope they get their full demands sorted out. A protest without immediate actionable legal demands is pretty doomed from the start. Especially one that encourages it’s protestors to give something up. Unless we can have a moment where we can see a politician sign something into law the end of the protest will be vague and mired in “negotiations” until people have had enough and decide they need to start making money again without anything of consequence being accomplished.
Your aims, as stated, are vague and unactionable. This is a really good spot to start: with things that can actually happen. You will never get people behind “total government reform”, but a concrete goal like “overturn citizens united” or “ban political donations and create a fund to handle political campaigns” is actually a thing that can happen.
Criticism is useful. If you can’t get Lemmy on board, you’ll never get normal people. Instead of taking it as an attack (and being fair, my response is pretty abrasive) see what you can do to make actual progress.
I’m in no way affiliated with #Shutdown 315. I’m just spreading awareness. The organization is on Bluesky, Reddit and substack if you’d like to get involved. The more input they get, the better they will be able to organize.
Whoops, missed the user change. I stand by my statement. I would hazard that valid criticisms don’t merit the bucket crabs (though I suppose my second comment could go with the first and be cleaner and more palatable), but I’m also not about to start backseat modding.
I’m sorry, but that list is everything. Great, but literally everything. Not just protections for X and Y and Z, but literally “total government reform” as well. If your list of demands is so vague you’ll never send a clear message and will struggle to gain support. I’m reminded of the Newsroom episode about Occupy Wall Street. You need clear leadership and direction. Something more concise like “civilian oversight commities in all branches with authority to order investigations and court trials” would be a huge move in the right direction. You need a clear addressing of the problem with realistic end goals and a way to get there - not a laundry list of hopes.
I’m all for each of these things, but trying to have them happen all at once is ignorant. Do they think that making all these changes will make people glad? People hate change, and that’s one of the main reasons Trump was elected.
This strike feels like the 2016 election all over again, where left/liberals try to push for too much change and the population recoils into voting for regressive bigots.
The top critic I’d point to, it’s that for something so huge like that, it’s needed a food chain which connects rural to urban areas established. That’s the first thing.
After that other things can be looked up, like electricity, water supply, etc etc
Then a rupture with capitalist system can be created, but it needs to be understood that “nonviolent direct action” isn’t an option! At the first trial on labor strikes, capitalists will crush it with all their forces and repression skill
What is the Shutdown 315 movement?
“Shun the corporations (except this one).” 🙄
While the full list of demands is still being added to, discussed, edited and submitted to a legal expert, some of our basic demands are as follows:
Protection and permanent guarantee of civil rights for all
Total government reform
Publicly funded health care
Adequate and accessible disability support and services
A permanent solution to Homelessness, hunger and the housing crisis
Respect and support for tribal Sovereignty and involvement with indigenous leadership for environmental action
Enhanced enforcement of constitutional rights
More power to american voters
I hope they get their full demands sorted out. A protest without immediate actionable legal demands is pretty doomed from the start. Especially one that encourages it’s protestors to give something up. Unless we can have a moment where we can see a politician sign something into law the end of the protest will be vague and mired in “negotiations” until people have had enough and decide they need to start making money again without anything of consequence being accomplished.
What’s your proposal to make things permanent? What rules can you establish that opponents won’t just undo later?
Holy vague statements and unrealistic expectations batman.
Honestly, this one works.
Define adequate. Define accessible. Hell, define disability, cause even that can get squishy.
Just three social holy grails, nbd.
What does that look like? Is support “give them money” or “treat them as a separate nation”? Which environmental actions?
By what mechanism?
What does that mean?
Your aims, as stated, are vague and unactionable. This is a really good spot to start: with things that can actually happen. You will never get people behind “total government reform”, but a concrete goal like “overturn citizens united” or “ban political donations and create a fund to handle political campaigns” is actually a thing that can happen.
Criticism is useful. If you can’t get Lemmy on board, you’ll never get normal people. Instead of taking it as an attack (and being fair, my response is pretty abrasive) see what you can do to make actual progress.
I’m in no way affiliated with #Shutdown 315. I’m just spreading awareness. The organization is on Bluesky, Reddit and substack if you’d like to get involved. The more input they get, the better they will be able to organize.
Whoops, missed the user change. I stand by my statement. I would hazard that valid criticisms don’t merit the bucket crabs (though I suppose my second comment could go with the first and be cleaner and more palatable), but I’m also not about to start backseat modding.
I’m sorry, but that list is everything. Great, but literally everything. Not just protections for X and Y and Z, but literally “total government reform” as well. If your list of demands is so vague you’ll never send a clear message and will struggle to gain support. I’m reminded of the Newsroom episode about Occupy Wall Street. You need clear leadership and direction. Something more concise like “civilian oversight commities in all branches with authority to order investigations and court trials” would be a huge move in the right direction. You need a clear addressing of the problem with realistic end goals and a way to get there - not a laundry list of hopes.
Then join the organization and help them. Liberals are so damn feckless, they can’t get out of their own way.
So, they want a new country?
I’m all for each of these things, but trying to have them happen all at once is ignorant. Do they think that making all these changes will make people glad? People hate change, and that’s one of the main reasons Trump was elected.
This strike feels like the 2016 election all over again, where left/liberals try to push for too much change and the population recoils into voting for regressive bigots.
Trump is dissolving the Dept. of Education, and you’re worried about changes to government? /s
I think it’s pretty interesting actually.
The top critic I’d point to, it’s that for something so huge like that, it’s needed a food chain which connects rural to urban areas established. That’s the first thing.
After that other things can be looked up, like electricity, water supply, etc etc
Then a rupture with capitalist system can be created, but it needs to be understood that “nonviolent direct action” isn’t an option! At the first trial on labor strikes, capitalists will crush it with all their forces and repression skill