Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses
Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.
At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.
Also, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.
That doesn’t really matter. What matters is that he was in Canada at the time.
I can see your point, but still feel that his being a citizen compounds the issue.
Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, and then later in Pakistan. The US didn’t inform or take permission from Pakistan to send in SEAL Team 6 to kill him. Nijjar was wanted for the murder of 6 innocent people in a cinema hall bombing in Punjab, India.
Nijjar was wanted
As in, was a suspect? I assume he was never tried?
The US didn’t inform or take permission from Pakistan to send in SEAL Team 6 to kill him.
Yes, the US gets to throw their weight around because nobody wants to go to war against them. It doesn’t make it right.
If you’re a Canadian citizen, and see Canada as your homeland, then why would you be trying to carve out a homeland elsewhere on the other side of the world for yourself? Could it be that he was just using Canada as his base of operations? If I claim that you and I are happily married, then wouldn’t it be a little suspicious if I’m dating other women and posting ads saying I’m looking for a new girlfriend? That guy entered Canada on a false passport, while he was wanted on an Interpol Red Corner notice. He then tried to gain citizenship by marrying some young girl, but authorities rejected his lame attempt. But then somehow he was later granted citizenship. Maybe the citizenship process isn’t all it’s cracked up to be - and maybe the existing Canadian citizenry are being shortchanged as a result? Also, after gaining citizenship, that guy didn’t settle down into a quiet life, and was running a training camp to train Sikh youth on how to fire high-powered sniper rifles. These things sound like very odd things to do for a happy, well-adjusted Canadian citizen.
“the guy deserved it” should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that’s only valid within their own borders.
If you violate a country’s monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that’s a step on the path to war.
When the US demanded that the Taliban govt in Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden after 9/11, they refused, saying that the US should follow due process. They said the US should first submit evidence to their Sharia courts. The US responded by invading the country, ousting the Taliban and replacing their govt with one of its own choosing, and bombing and occupying the place for 20 years (the longest war in American history.)
Yeah, extradition exists
What’s interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)
But they also don’t seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.
They’ve sent numerous dossiers to Ottawa. But Ottawa was acting in bad faith. They even asked to send a negotiating team of govt officials to meet with the guy to negotiate peace terms. Ottawa refused to allow this. Ottawa was clearing acting in bad faith. Apparently there are people in the Canadian govt who would like to keep conflicts alive in India, perhaps to maintain some sort of leverage over them.
Have you seen the extradition request? Who told you India has not given proof to Canada? He is wanted in a bombing and multiple killings. A simple google search will give you the case no. and relevant details for his involvement in such crimes.
The bombing that happened when he was 8, or was there another one?
Let’s see them, then. Show your work.
Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou’s arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi’s India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.
India cannot possibly claim they couldn’t have gotten results from Canada if they’d gone through the legal system.
Why would India get in the way of China - Canada diplomatic relations.
India is claiming that, Kanishka bombing is a great read for Canadians who have forgotten their history and who actually they are shielding.
Hardeep Singh Nijjar was born 11 October 1977.
Air India Flight 182 was bombed 23 June 1985.
How are they related?
Uhh, the Khalistan separatists bombed the Air India flight. Canada’s justice system failed to convict a single person for that bombing, which killed 329 people, including 268 Canadians, 27 Britons, 22 Indians, and 12 others. So much for the credibility of Canadian justice. This is in spite of repeated warnings by the Indian govt. Trudeau (current PM’s father) refused to cooperate, citing that India no longer accepted the Queen as its sovereign (How the hell was that related, as a refusal? Canada’s own official records literally show this.)
I am talking about history and how it tends to repeat if you don’t correct the mistakes, the mistake Canadian Govt. is making again by shielding these terrorists, just because they need NDPs support to keep their govt running and it’s a shame how bais plays into it, just because you don’t want to believe violent separatists are terrorists it doesn’t mean they aren’t.
I’d say the violent ones here were the Indian government who were alleged here to have had a Canadian citizen assassinated on Canadian soil.
Why didn’t India go through legal means and extradite him?
I’d say the Indian govt wasn’t just going to sit there and let this militant terrorist attack them at his leisure. He hadn’t settled down into some quiet life in Canada, and was running a training camp to teach youth recruited by him how to fire high-powered sniper rifles. He was also making fiery speeches at his local temple. How come you don’t know these things? Because the CBC won’t tell you. https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2023/09/23/550x309/nijjar_1695433548613_1695433559433.jpg I don’t have any pictures of myself posing with automatic weapons - do you?
Alleged is an important word here and India has already shared files with evidence to Canada in multiple individuals (including the one “alleged” to have been assassinated). Why is Canada not supporting India in these investigations? just because it needs NDPs support to keep in power, Canada is siding with terrorists and their sponsors.
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Please show us on this doll where this bad incident hurt you
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Well, this is one of the creepier capitalist product monologues I’ve seen in a while.
another comment closer to the enshittified dystopia
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Yeah it exists for the sake of it.
It’s too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:
An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.
And all the Indian news outlets are claiming the guy was a gangster and that this was a gang-related shooting. Meanwhile the local Winnipeg police are just like “Uh, we have no evidence on that as of yet and have made no statements about that, where the frick are you getting this claim from?”
Yeah, I updated the headline to make it clear that the allegations were by India, because people were rightly pointing out that “alleged Khalistani terrorist” was giving them too much credit.
India’s getting blatant and nobody cares because of China.
Nobody deserves death, however much me way wish it. Humans dole it out in spades, though.
I respectfully disagree for rare cases. Some people are just plain evil, according to modern sensibilities.
I disagree but I do like this Gandalf quote, whether they deserve it or not it’s not our call:
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement”
That’s more or less my point. We’re all flawed. I’m just questioning our ability to be self regulating. I’m also questioning the use of the word “deserve.”
Modi isn’t exactly subtle about anything.
e: modi not MIDI
But Russia told them they did it all the time and nothing ever came of it.
never previously in the friendly and orderly West.
Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.
It is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.
Oh no, its a clear reference to the blind eye the west & the world has turned to the ongoing genocide of Muslims & Christians in India by Modi govt & the Hindu supremacist thugs it supports.
A valid point but the emphasis in the statement is that it is an “explosive charge” this week. Those murders have been going on for decades. This is about the change in the audacity of these crimes.
It’s very hard to care when religious people kill each other. They are clinically insane due to trauma from abuse in their childhood and are very unlikely to recover. The best we can do is to protect children from these evil cults.
The laws of Western states that the West only selectively follows? Gee…
If I go to another country I follow the laws of that state. It is called respect.
What if the state itself doesn’t follow those laws?
For a kinder and friendlier colonism.
yes, that line had me laughing too.
As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we’re scared of China and you’re the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India’s PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China’s name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country’s ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
Where is this statement coming from? India literally took the Galwan issue with China. India lost 20 brave men who were cremated with state honours. It was in the news for weeks. I don’t know where your “Nothing happened” statement is coming from. The defence minister/ EAM answered questions on this in parliament.
There are two sides here - absolute nationalism where India and Modi can do no wrong, and absolute cucks where everything that India, Modi, or Hindus do is all wrong. OP is one of these extremes.
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I understand your point of view but don’t you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don’t you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don’t know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don’t think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.
What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I’m not Indian.
I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn’t necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.
It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it’s foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.
Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.
Yes, absolutely agreed.
The news was going to leak, so he decided to get ahead of it. He very much would have preferred to finish the investigation first
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605
Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
Our government has not released a single statement saying ‘we didn’t do it’ AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.
What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It’s happened twice now and you think it’s an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
That’s hardly proof
Not saying it isn’t true… but from that alone nada. someone posting something on twitter and then someone is murdered… must be government?!
He’s wanted in India.
Was* wanted
Well, yeah. Obviously not wanted anymore, since they got him lol.
Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from and fully expect some proof. I do however have doubts that any proof will ever be conclusive enough to convince people and certainly not enough to get Modi to admit the truth if his govt is truly behind it. So what will providing proof accomplish anyway? Not providing proof might be a tactic to elicit lies that can be demonstrated as such through a trickle release of proof, enough to prove that the deniers are liars.
At the end of the day, Canada is a sovereign country and they are free to level a number of consequences against a foreign government if they so desire, including sanctions, visa restrictions, and so on. The only proof they need is for themselves, and to take action that will protect Canadians from foreign assassinations in the future. Canada really does not have to prove anything to India, especially if they do not believe the Indian govt is acting in good faith.
So what will providing proof accomplish anyway?
I don’t agree. Something is better than nothing, even if things are heavily redacted. I as a common man may not interprete them adequately but there are people who can. Especially people from the intelligece community can check and somewhat verify if there is anything plausible with respect to the accusitions. This important for the allies of the Canada too. Canada is a member five eyes, so they can definitely validate their gathered intels with the likes of UK, US if the evidence deemed unfit for public release. So far I have not seen any of those countries conclusively made statements that they validated Canada’s allegations. The investigation is ongoing anyway.
It does not matter whether Indian PM admits it or not if evidence is there and the international community verified and largely accepts it as truth. So far I haven’t seen this happen.
Off course Canada can do whatever they choose in their jurisdiction. For example, many countries creates travel advisory for their citizens regarding which countries are deemed safe / not safe for them to travel to. If country X says that country Y is unsafe for their citizens to travel to, it’s perfectly fine. However, that doesn’t mean country Y is universally unsafe. But, when it comes to international relations we can’t just hurl allegation to another sovereign country without any evidence, independent verification / backing. Because tomorrow country Z can allege something outrageous about country A without evidence, will the international community accept that without questions as well?
Personally I feel diplomacy from both sides have failed us. It’s their job to handle these things more gracefully.
I understand, it sounds like you are concerned for India’s international reputation in light of these allegations, and rightfully so. It’s unfair from the perspective of a common citizen that your country gets flamed like this without proof, and insulting that people just say “well it’s Canada, they aren’t lying”.
It’s just that I trust my government and institutions and I believe them. Biden and Trudeau both spoke to Modi before this was released. Journalists in Canada were going to release this if the government didn’t. I truly believe that handling it this way was bad for Canada too, so I don’t see an incentive for Canada to lie which I do see for the Indian govt. Don’t forget that other countries have their own relationships with India and will make their own decisions about supporting the allegations, not necessarily in light of the quality of proof but rather for pragmatic reasons. I think this whole affair will be painful for normal people in both countries, so in that sense you’re absolutely right that diplomacy failed.
Still I’m curious: what do you think would be the reaction if the allegations turn out to be true?
Yes, I am aware that CBC was going to go public with their report and they notified Trudeau beforehand. I watched the interview of the CBC journalist by Karan Thapar.
It is indeed painful and unfortunate for everyone. I understand that geopolitics is extremely complicated, it’s not as straightforward as asking the allies to back the claims based on evidences alone.
I don’t see an incentive for Canada to lie.
That’s a bit debatable. There are speculation that Trudeau is doing this to win popularity among the Sikh community in Canada. It is obvious that his government needs their support. So there might be a internal political pressure as well. Not to mention Canada has an upcoming federal election in 2025.
I’m not saying this is the case. But as you said you trust your government and you see no reasons for them to lie. Similarly many people from the other sidr can choose to believe in their government too. There are plausible speculations on the both sides. But plausibility rarely helps, instead often introduces biases in our thinking. That’s why producing evidence is extremely important. I hope Canada do provide some evidence which is accepted by international community. I’ll give you an example. In case of Jamal Khashoggi killing Saudí Arabia never admitted any wrongdoings. But from the evidences we all know what happened and who did what. So, as a concerned human being is it unreasonable to ask something similar in this case as well?
I’m not a representative of my Government so I can’t really say what they’ll do in case the evidences are rightfully presented. But my experience with the current government and my common sense tells me that they will try their best to wiggle out of the allegations and evidences. But that doesn’t matter, what matters is whether international community accepts the evidence provided by Canada or not.
If India indeed commited the alleged crime, I want my fellow citizens to know that and see how international community vetted the evidences. So that they can judge wisely in our next election and vote accordingly. As I said in my original comment, I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the level of CIA, Mossad or FSB.
Sounds like there’s a bit more confirmation that Canada was actually correct and not making it up, since other international parties seem to have looked into it: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/us-envoy-confirms-canada-received-intelligence-from-five-eyes-partners-before-trudeau-went-public-with-allegations-against-india-547068
In that case, Indian govt is also free to retaliate since no country is just going to keep diplomatic relations one-way.
And if we didn’t there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof
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IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India’s PM Modi ‘he can do anything, he can go to any extent’.
India’s Modi govt that practices domestic terrorism on its own citizens within india, wants to make India known as a terrorist state in the global stage.
modi isnt humble and so isnt his government. modis shitty support for russia is wrong. he has already lost touch with reality. i think the image of india in the west is falling rapidly, but i am sure modiist know why everyone else is wrong. time to rename the country. it is no longer happy nice india, bad bahRAT.
India’s image is better now than ever
The main news I see about India is religious hate or rape tbh.
That is what Modi’s fascism and Hindu supremacism has turned India into.
It’s rape all the way down, Randy.
Hahaha. Oh wait you’re serious? Let me laugh even harder! HAHAHAHA!
bhakt’s and their whatsapp ‘knowledge’ are indeed hilarious.
It isn’t? So are you saying when India was much much poorer it was better off?
If you read RBI’s reports, you’d know that India is at its poorest now. Modi’s political party & his donors & favoured capitalists are wealthier, but the rest of India is at its poorest.
Excuse me but India is not at all poorer now than it was even a decade ago, you’d have to be insane to say something as ignorant as that. No one in India even denies India is poor, but no one in India would ever say that it was better before Modi
For facts, read CAG’s & RBI’s reports, For fiction, read whatsapp,
I don’t use CCP controlled apps thanks
Hahahahaaha
Do you get your news from WhatsApp forwards?
If Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan
Nah, too close to India. Invade Iran on bullshit pretenses that have a tenuous connection with the situation even taken at face value.
but in old Canadian fashion, we’re just going to bend over and take it
The PM is literally calling them out in public and starting crap with the Modi administration over it.
Is there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
But something must be there if the Canadian government is making this statement instead of ignoring it. Sounds like the media was going to push the story anyway, but they got ahead of it.
The USA already said they aren’t distancing themselves from it and working with Canada with this.
We will see how things turn out, but things are pointing to more than likely India did something. Especially with the swarm of comments/bots pulling the whole “well he deserved it” and “hypocrites” all over.
Yeah, Canada and its closest allies (US, UK, etc.) have absolutely every reason to not want to stir the pot with India, considering India is considered critical in countering China in Asia. It’d be insane to pull a stunt like this unless they actually have damning evidence. I guess we’ll all see what comes of this with time, but I’m strongly inclined to believe Canada for now.
That and India’s response has basically been bald-faced whataboutism and “bUt He WaS a TeRrOriSt”. Doesn’t exactly endear me to believing India had nothing to do with this.
Yeah the propaganda is definitely out. I think I read some articles claiming Canada is a hotbed for extremism according to some Indian officials?
I’m like, that’s not a strong denial of what’s going on.
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Plus, there’s probably spies involved.
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Then Trudeau should have kept his trap shut about it until he had the ability to produce hard evidence. Now, he may have even compromised the investigation, or made a fool of himself if this investigation exonerates India hfsctually or due to geopolitical ‘compulsions’).
It’s a stupid hill to die on.
Yes, Canadian government says they have it.
Where? These “leaks” from sources achieve nothing.
Their highest profile crime besides T-Series.
And I had a conversation just last week where I verbatim said ‘Canada isn’t going to war with anyone. I mean, can you imagine?’
Well, now who has egg on their face.
Sounds like a terrorist who got assassinated in a foreign country.
Anyway this OP has a vendetta against India. They have yet to comment on all the atrocities being carried out by Muslim governments daily.
Oh, but US/Canada/West ordering murders in India/East/Global South is fine? The Brits haven’t even acknowledged what they did to India…
Any evidence Canada is responsible for ordering assassinations in other countries? Would love to know more about that.
Canada was in Afghanistan no?
Ok, but that’s our military engagement history. I asked for evidence on Canada committing assassinations.
Bonus points if you can find evidence of it involving countries we are ostensibly at peace with but I’d even be interested in evidence from active war zones involving Canada.
Canada is aly with the countries carrying out these associations. I never saw one statement from Canada condemning these actions, rather I can pull up multiple tweets from Canada’s officials supporting these assassinations.
That doesn’t answer the question
As a Brit I’m happy to admit we did some shitty things in India, as well as elsewhere, during the colonial era. However at this point we’re both happy members of the commonwealth with a decent relationship and a decent amount of cultural osmosis from each other. I mean our current prime minister is of Indian descent.
There’s a different between India and some other ex-colonial nations in that they aren’t still moaning about it and saying they need reperations, etc 70 odd years after the end of the empire. India got on with it as an independent nation and become one of the world’s fastest growing economies.
Happy to admit? Then tell your government to admit then? How does your PM being of Indian descent make this fact any better?
Have you read Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to India by Shashi Tharoor?
Moaning? Read the book my man. You sound very clueless…
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Whataboutism.
Yeah, what about them?
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it’s hypocrisy for sure
but that doesn’t make it less bad
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What other abuses by the Indian government have they aquiesced to?
We have done what now? India has only been a country since like 1947, what are these long trains of abuses you refer to here in the west? Chippendales?
Don’t worry, there won’t be. Canada has been allowing itself to be a pushover for a while now
prove me wrong, people.
You’re right. The consequences should be more akin to the consequences Saudi Arabia felt for murdering Khashoggi—oh, wait…
All you gotta do is pay off key politicians
The Saudis have oil which somehow makes it ok. India has… idk, holy cows?
What, you mean like when Canada stuck to it’s guns with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou even after the hostages were taken?
Or like how Canada hasn’t had diplomatic relations with the Saudis since 2018 when Canada refused to stop calling them out on their human rights abuses?
Or the time they had the incident with KSA over Kashoggi.
Fashy undertones.
Also fashy over and mid -tones
