

This kind of purity policing is deeply offputting IMO. And certainly won’t help build federated social media.
European. Contrarian liberal. Insufferable green. History graduate. I never downvote opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine. Low-effort comments with vulgarity or snark will also be (politely) ignored.
This kind of purity policing is deeply offputting IMO. And certainly won’t help build federated social media.
The basic problem is that airplane fuel (kerosene) is untaxed due to an international treaty dating back decades. It’s very hard to change international treaties, especially when a politically powerful industry has a stake in them not changing.
Yep exactly right, it was a particular privileged sector (namely, journalism). But anecdotally, I know it’s not completely exceptional.
France’s famous 35-hour-week law means that you legally have to get holidays in lieu of weekly hours worked over that number. In my job I worked (theoretically) 37.5 hours, which earned me 47 paid days off. Not including public holidays.
Very interesting, well done for the research!
What we can surely all agree is that all these names, especially Walkman (Bill Bryson: “it’s not a man and it doesn’t walk”) were terrible.
There is no expectation that everyone has to agree with you, either offline or online.
Egregious straw man, obviously I don’t think that.
enormous misunderstanding what [downvotes] are
Says who? You? What if it were you “misunderstanding” this? I know your version is the majority one, but there are plenty of people who agree with me that downvoting is toxic, hence the existence of downvote-free instances.
A downvote is softer than a negative comment, and if you think a downvote is a slap in the face, how should I interpret your negative comment? A kick in the face?
The big difference, to bore you with what you must already know, is that a downvote affects in most default configs the visibility of the comment. So it’s effectively a mild form of censorship, which IMO is not “softer” than a negative reply. And it’s certainly not better than than a constructive negative reply, which, believe it or not, is possible to do.
The best argument I have seen for your case is that downvoting provides an off-ramp for potentially sterile conflict. I.e. people hit the downvote button instead of replying with rage. That’s a decent pragmatic argument. But whatever reason I personally manage to control my rage at other people’s “wrong” opinions, so I don’t think it’s too much to ask them to do the same.
on somewhat of a crusade against downvotes
It’s true. For me, to downvote an opinion (and this is what the vast majority of downvoting is) is the virtual equivalent of slapping someone in the face, or telling them to shut up. We don’t do it in person, we shouldn’t do it virtually.
A nuanced take in response to casually lobbed accusations of Nazism? How come you haven’t been banned?
weird fetish
Ask people in those “far-flung possessions” whether they agree!
Perhaps it depends on community but my experience has been pretty uniform: brigading, comment removal, bans, for expressing ideas that (according to opinion polls) are shared by literally most of the population. At first I was a bit shocked, now I know just to avoid politics, it’s not worth the trouble. If you’ve had a difference experience then good for you.
Try expressing a centrist or - heaven forbid (I haven’t actually tried this one) moderate conservative - position on a hot-button subject and see if you still feel that way.
Just don’t try to debate politics unless you already subscribe to the prevailing groupthink. In fairness, that’s true of any social-media forum, and the corporate ones have other problems on top.
in places like France and Japan
This is completely wrong.
You talk exclusively about Japan, so even if your anecdata is representative, then my point is not “completely” wrong. Let’s begin by using language correctly.
Pretty convincing arguments. Thanx.
Tells you that you can take your social media back from big tech then casually recommends Bluesky. Gimme a break.
I generally agree but I still feel it’s important to keep some perspective. Bluesky is not the solution but it’s definitely progress compared to existing corporate platforms (because it has real fundamental differences - several articles posted here went into detail about this).
IMO the best argument against Bluesky is that it will suck up the oxygen for other, better, solutions. That’s a fair theory but it seems to me that there’s plenty of market share to go round right now. Everyone is still on the evil corporate platforms.
RSS still exists and it’s still beautiful.
Agree, I use it every day.
I’ll be honest, a quick review of this thread did not clearly reveal who was downvoting who for what. My position, and this other person’s, is that downvoting opinions is bad manners and toxic to healthy discussion. If there was genuinely harmful advice there, then OK, downvote away.
(Obviously these days the word “harmful” is thrown around liberally so this probably just puts us back to square one.)
Freedom of speech as an absolute
Of course it’s not absolute, where did I say otherwise? Straw man.
paradox of tolerance
This just feels like a fancy reference deployed to back up intolerance.
Exactly my point. The virtual equivalent of taping someone’s mouth shut because you happen not to agree with what they say.
Their original staff was a bunch of pretty serious journalists sourced from the BBC.
Some interesting thoughts - and questions - here. Seems you posted them in the wrong place, given the paltry response. Or possibly at the wrong time (i.e. 6 hours after the herd had moved on, a perennial problem with social media).
XML is space-inefficient with lots of redundancy, and therefore considered to be ugly. Coders tend to have tidy minds so these things take on an importance that they don’t really merit. It’s also just fashion: markup, like XML and HTML, is a thing of the 90s, so using them is the coder equivalent of wearing MC Hammer pants.