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Cake day: June 24th, 2023

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  • I get you, but I also think there’s value in considering how these kinds of conversations affect people who are neither vegetarian nor vegan.

    If you create a permission structure for 10 meat eaters to write off the whole group as extremist crazies, while you’re trying to bully 1 vegetarian, who might be, maybe, bullied into veganism, that’s still a net loss of a whole lot of animals.

    Also, this isn’t a veg friendly space. Having conversations like this among other veg*ns is entirely a different affair than doing it in an environment where the average response is just “hell no, I love my meat”


  • Sorry, but I just don’t think this attitude is useful for reducing harm to animals. It’s rare for people to hear about veganism and then go straight from eating meat to eating 0 animal products, for 100 reasons. I spent like 10 years vegetarian before finally going vegan.

    This overly critical attitude and stereotypes associated with it do a lot to push people away from bothering with making any steps at all.

    No one is able to fully eliminate animal harm from their lives, and any steps that anyone is making on the road to reducing it should be applauded. It’s our only option if we want to be anything other than a hated minority.




  • This question is probably worth revisiting after 2024’s election, since Trump may still have more mileage. A second term might be more dangerous than the first was. Assuming he doesn’t win, then his legacy will mostly be all of the weird and slightly hard to measure changes to American culture, specifically conservative political culture.

    He generally seems to have made more dangerous ideas popular but also to have made getting a governing coalition together to actually enact those ideas more difficult by eroding the Republican party. Bush’s foreign policy decisions seem to have been far more dangerous so I think I’d vote for Bush being the worst as of right now.

    That said, Trump still has a non-zero chance of bringing real American fascism into power so that would change things.





  • “It tends to result in two large parties that must put together broadly popular coalitions in order to win.”

    If you don’t mind, to what extent do you think the founders were aware of this? I know Washington made a point of warning about the dangers of political parties and then everyone else seems to have quickly hopped into the Republican/Federalist camps.

    Was this seen as an unavoidable evil during the drafting, or did they think they were crafting something that would avoid parties becoming powerful?