• brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    As it turns out, the article is a gift from Murdoch: https://www.axios.com/2025/07/18/trump-epstein-letter-maga-documents

    Just outrageous and questionable enough for MAGA to use as cover, and Trump to turn into a lighting rod. But it doesn’t change much for anyone else. Before, MAGA Media had nothing to point to and paint Trump as the victim. Now, they do.

    It derailed the schism :/

    Other media’s lapping it up to tell readers want they want to hear: MAGA is infighting, when in reality they are not.

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      10 months ago

      Yeah. The narrative on the right has been changing ever since this came out. I wouldn’t be that surprised if that was the point of the whole thing.

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      10 months ago

      Other media’s lapping it up to tell readers want they want to hear: MAGA is infighting, when in reality they are not.

      can you show me some examples of this not being the case? i am wondering where to look for an actual analysis on how MAGA is handling this letter, because i have seen several real world responses from his supporters that are extremely upset and feel betrayed. you’re saying this isn’t a sizeable group within his base? interesting.

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        10 months ago

        The above article quotes and sources major influencers, but if that’s not enough, go to the source:

        https://xcancel.com/RealAlexJones

        https://rumble.com/search/video?q=Epstein&date=today&section=date

        https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ben-shapiro-show/id1047335260

        https://tuckercarlson.com/

        seen several real world responses from his supporters that are extremely upset and feel betrayed

        Not sure what you’ve seen. But to be blunt, a few clipped Twitter screenshots or clickbait headlines filtering to Lemmy’s front page don’t paint a good picture. This place is a bubble… Like most of the internet. Twitter is, too, as its algo just shows you want you want to see, not a fair “slice” of activity.

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          …no, i said real world examples lol. like a town hall meeting where people loudly booed Trump and it was a meeting specifically for his crowd.

          edit: this here - i can’t find a good clip that is just the event itself, sorry. searching nowadays is garbage but it is out there. this will give you an idea of what i’m talking about. there are more examples.

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            10 months ago

            Influencers are a good bellwater, they’re the heart of the MAGA movement. They go where their viewers want, which is (for now) attacking the WSJ and defending Trump.

            /r/conservative is still total Trump too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/

            I don’t know of any grassroots uprisings against Trump. Surveys will take weeks to percolate out, but the lack of documented rebellion kinda suggests voters aren’t turning on him in person, either.

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              check the edit in my comment. i don’t know about a documented uprising or anything but people are vocally expressing disapproval and some are rather upset. trump almost got assassinated by a disillusioned conservative. these people are dangerous and unhinged even against themselves.

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      10 months ago

      Hopefully this doesn’t just get dismissed and we get some nice information in discovery.

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        10 months ago

        Based on the last few cases, The WSJ will cave and settle with Trump for a ridiculous amount of money in order to stay on his “good” side.

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          7 months ago

          Or Murdock did this on purpose to give trump a safe case to set precedence on- Murdock will have his lawyers flub key parts, like arguing discovery poorly so that trump can claim the epstein files are privileged govt material, etc, so that when he brings suits against more hostile media co’s, the judges will have precedence to point to when denying better formulated arguments.