NEW YORK—The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.
Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.
Train. Help others train.
Form networks.
When voting with your voice doesn’t work, and voting with your money doesn’t work, all that left to vote with, is lead.
So when that doesn’t work, then what?
If lead isn’t working, you haven’t used enough of it. Can’t have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.
What if the problem makers are holed up in a bunker thousands of miles away remotely sending drones to kill you? How much lead does that take?
I suppose in that case you lay siege and starve them out. Cut off all materials in our out. Supplies run out, and so do million dollar weapons, eventually. Ideally it never gets to that point but what other recourse do you have to stop the march of dystopia?
Let’s say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.
What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.
If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.
Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.
But all you are doing with “buy guns and train” is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We’re all n*****s.
I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don’t even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they’re not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon’s teeth and porcupines isn’t hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military…
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People who push this kind of thinking still think warfare is carried out and progresses like it did in the Napoleonic era: two orderly opposed fronts clashing head-to-head in theaters with well-defined boundaries - where the adversary with more guns/people/resources win. Because more guns/people directly equates to military power, right?
These folks would do well to spend even the slightest amount of time learning about fourth generational, guerilla war. The fact that bullets ping off of tank armor does not disprove guerilla war.
Let’s take this meme back a couple hundred years and cast you as a counter revolutonary American at the onset of the revolutonary war.
/*Wants to have muskets to fend off british empire
/*british empire:
Starts to seem silly when you realize even our founding fathers were doing guerilla warfare not long ago.
During the American Revolutionary War/Napoleonic War, do you know what a local militia with muskets or even breach loading rifles were good for? Sending into the meat grinder and taking out with artillery.
The ONLY time The Holy Second Amendment was ever a threat to a government was, funny enough, “The Wild West” in the US. That brief window where logistics made deploying the military difficult but everyone and their mother had repeating rifles and pistols and could even get a gatling gun for not TOO much money. Which, funny enough, led to the rise in what were basically PMCs to take out said ruffians and has persisted to today in the form of the over-militarized police force and the idea that you need a full kill team in every village.
As for “Just fight a guerilla war”: I am not interested in the American Revolutionary War (even though all the same arguments hold true…). The US and Russia have both bled and eventually abandoned countries like Afghanistan as the losses became too high to justify the occupation. But basically any time there was a stand up fight, they won overwhelmingly because of things like Helicopters, Tanks, and Artillery.
But then you look at groups like ISIS and warlords in Africa and the chaos that was left in the wake of South America. THOSE forces defeated their guerillas. Why? Because the occupying force actually gave a shit about the land and wanted to keep it. And they didn’t care about public opinion on what they were doing (see also: Israel’s genocide). Some kids run out of the woods, shoot a few people, scream “WILDCATS”, and start macking? Cool. Go round up a dozen people in the town square and execute them. And make it clear that if said wildcats aren’t turned over by next week, another dozen people will be executed. See how fast support for the guerillas goes away. Even better, you know they are hiding in the suburbs near Delancy Street? Set up a perimeter and go door to door executing people until you find them.
Which gets back to your super timely example from the 1700s. Where the Brits basically said “Fuck it, we don’t care” due to the colonies being a whole ocean away and increasing unrest in India. And… India was a LOT more valuable than a bunch of jackasses who didn’t want to pay taxes.
But hey. I am sure with your rifles you can totally lead a guerilla war that makes the republican government abandon the United States because casualties are too high, I guess? It worked for Captain Soap in Call of Duty maybe?
Buddy.
It sounds like your entire argument is “Do nothing because what’s the point?”
You can do nothing and die if things escalate too far. That’s your choice. The rest of us will do something. Because in the face of living under fascism, why the fuck wouldn’t we?
An intelligent person would prepare for that eventuality. A dumb person spends their time throwing their hands up and trying to dissuade others from preparing.
Yes. An intelligent person prepares for eventualities. But in a manner that actually makes a difference.
If all you want to do is buy a bunch of guns and masturbate furiously, go for it. Hell, the republicans will probably think you are one of them since that is indistinguishable from what all the gun nuts say.
If you want to actually make a difference and resist? Like I said. Talk to the old hats at those protests. We are thinking this through and actually studying past events. We just aren’t talking about it on a public social media site where all we know about the admins are they bent over backwards to cover their asses when luigi allegedly blapped that guy.
But that’s not what you’re doing. Your only suggestion thus far is to protest. I’ve already made it clear to you that if a fascist regime becomes too entrenched then protests mean nothing. And your plan beyond that is to give up and die and try to convince others to do the same.
Protest, by all means, while you can. What I’m talking about, since my very first post, is preparing for what happens if protests don’t work. You don’t have a plan for that, other than giving up. I mean, you keep talking about “talk to the old hats”, like that actually means something. Do you want to elaborate? Cuz beyond protesting it seems like “talk to the old hats” means organize an actual resistance, which is exactly what I’m talking about.
I’m going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they’ve hit on some infallible logic.
Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it’s really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.
You don’t seem to understand that protests, while important, don’t make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don’t matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can’t do that if you don’t have firearms. Can’t do that if you haven’t trained. Can’t do that alone.
If this escalates far enough and people don’t do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won’t be enough.
I literally just pointed out the “grab a gun and scream wildcats” fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?
Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you’ll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they’ll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones
As for “just snipe officials”: Wow. It really is THAT simple.
By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren’t sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn’t like there is a difference between a “peace keeping” force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?
Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don’t really care. You aren’t useful in the scenario we’re talking about so I’m not too concerned about what happens to you. You’re dead weight.