• oh_@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

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      1 hour ago

      The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit

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        Most suburbs have plenty of density to support transit as proved in other countries that provide good transit to their areas of similar density. However most suburbs have such bad transit you can’t use it for anything and to people start believing the idea that it is impossible to get them good transit and so they won’t agree to get it.

    • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works
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      2 hours ago

      Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).

      They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.

      • _stranger_@lemmy.world
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        1 hour ago

        Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.

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          No, the problem is the network matters. When you can’t get anywhere on transit you don’t use it and in turn won’t help improve it. I’ve many times looked at the transit options available to me and found I was unable to get my errand done on transit so I was forced to drive. One place I lived I checked and transit could do the job so I sold my car (but my wife still had hers because there were still many things we couldn’t do on transit)

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      5 hours ago

      transit

      “We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window.”

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