Copying this from Reddit (I still get the daily emails). Since I no longer post there, I figured I would ask here, and include my prediction: Will be more popular, possibly in stable release. Still won’t be able to rotate photos natively.
I was one of the first Immich core developers but had to leave a year ago due to a change in my job situation.
Just wanted to say that the team (especially Alex, the founder) are wonderful people and very dedicated to the project. When they don’t implement the features everyone wants, there is usually a very good reason, like security or architectural concerns. The philosophy behind the project is also to do things slowly but right.
I believe they continue focussing on robusness and bugfixing. A topic that we discussed a lot was e2e encryption. We really wanted to implement that, but it was very hard and back then would have compromised performance too much. I still think that e2e encryption will come at some point.
Man, I sure hope they’re free of the container crutch.
What do you mean by container crutch?
Very cool post. I didn’t mean to denigrate the dev team at all. They’ve done incredible work, and I’ve read some of the threads about rotation. They’re definitely aware of the issue, and they want to make sure it’s done right, which I appreciate. Also, it’s FOSS, so I don’t want to be negative about the outlook when its users already get so much more than they pay for!
Still, it’s such a thorn in my side!
It’ll be good if it can be decrypted by the device itself. Almost perfect security tbh
Their facial recognition is really good! Makes organizing photos a breeze. Immich is by far the best software currently. But hopefully the setup becomes less of a hassle.
A more sophisticated query system would be interesting.
For example if I want to see every picture with Joseph in it, that’s really easy. But what if I’d like to share those with Joseph along with the albums he’s in?
Similar to that would be a query by location and person. Or a query that includes two people.
I believe Piwigo had the first feature you mention. Actually, there are quite a few things from Piwigo I’d love to see implemented in Immich. One that was pretty unique was designating an image as the back of another one, for scanned files. Niche, but really useful in those cases.
I believe it will transform into a basketball
There’s nothing in the rulebook saying that image hosting software can’t play basketball!
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- Allow to share an Album over webdav
- On Android the possibikity to add a Picture to an Album even it is still not uploaded.
- Setup an Album to be synced permanently and full.
[Edit] Webdav:
- Deleted photos get the Album Tag removed.
- Possibility to upload to the webdav and get the photo into the album
- Rename a photo set the Photo title [setting]
- read write protect
Just an idea: Maybe a simple photo editor would fit in nicely? Crop, rotate and adjust the colors/brightness/contrast.
And … please let me rotate videos that are accidentally 90 degrees off.
Does it not already have basic image editing? I can crop/rotate and apply some preset filters.
I disagree.
Yes, there is some editing capability in the app, but it doesn’t edit the image, it stores a new file in your local (non-immich) gallery. As I don’t sync this particular folder on my phone, I had to reupload it - and now have this image twice in immich, and one version with the wrong timestamp (now).
That’s barely any more helpful than downloading the image and editing it with another app.
I think this highlights the difficulty with “basic” image editing. For example, with G Photos or Mac Photos, or others, you can edit, and the edited version is what you’ll see by default going forward, but the original is still there. This is why I highlighted rotation. That’s strictly a metadata change, AFAIK. Last thing I read on their site was they were hung up getting it to work properly with HEIF.
Maybe a simple photo editor would fit in nicely?
Basic photo editing capabilities are planned after stable release, this year :)
That’s what they said last year! And the year before!
Maybe not the stable part.
I’m just learning about the software but all the tasks you listed (crop, rotate and adjust), can be done easily with imagemagick simple one-liners.
For example:
Convert in.jpg -rotate out.jpgOr
Using the auto-orient option or using jhead.
Why is it so hard for this app to implement it?
I know nothing about coding, but its probably not trivial in a project the size of immich to add “one simple one-liner”.
Think of the Web UI, the mobile apps, the internal API, the filesystem handling, preview generation etc.
I’m sure it can be done, but it probably takes a couple of days.
Also ImageTragick was a thing, there are definitely security implications to adding dependencies to implement a feature in this way (especially on a shared instance). The API at the very least needs to handle auth, so that your images and videos don’t get rotated by others.
Then you have UX, you may want to show to the user that things have rotated (otherwise button will be deemed non-functional, even if it uses this one-liner behind the scenes), but probably don’t want to transfer the entire video multiple times to show this (too slow, costs data).
Yeah, it is one thing to add a one liner, but another to make a well implemented feature.
Once you implement Authentication/Authorization it’s fairly simple to add a new function.
I think here, the problem is not the complexity of the task, but the developer’s prioritization based on all the backlogged features.
Still, users can do this on their own. Directly on the folder, autorotating all pictures using wildcards.
I would add file types to the list. JPEG is easy to rotate, but what about other image filetypes, images with embedded video, different video file formats etc.
You can start with what you can. What can provide the most value and iteratively improve from there.
Sometimes as a developer or even product manager, you don’t know what feature complete really means until people start using it.
Oh, by the way: https://imagemagick.org/script/formats.php
Forgive me if I’m being dumb… But is there a way to share a photo with my own editor, then save the result as an “edited” version of that asset? Currently if I send it to Snapseed, and save it, it will be placed in a different random folder
I don’t think so. I think for any kind of editing, they’d need to implement some kind of asset versioning.
FWIW Ente just added photo editing
Ente is a great project but with immich as a competitor it has a hard time
What’s better about immich? I haven’t used either
Brand new Immich user here. Love the project and I hope it goes far!
Also maybe I’m not understanding, but the two complaints about it so far in this thread are not being able to sync photos to a phone and not being able to rotate photos and, I’m pretty sure I can do both?
From my testing today, you can only rotate a photo using the mobile app, and even then you have to save it locally and re-upload the rotated photo. Thus creating a separate, mostly duplicate photo! This is essentially a metadata orientation update, or it could be more. Immich seems to incorrectly orient a lot of photos that other applications have no problem with. The devs are aware of it and have been discussing this since at least 2022, possibly longer. There are also a number of feature/pull requests on the github page covering rotation, photo editing, cropping, etc. Personally, I don’t care about editing/cropping. I consider those edits which should result in a separate asset, possibly linked back to the original.
For me, this is probably the biggest missing feature for Immich. They’ve done some really amazing things in the past couple years, but this seemingly basic feature remains missing.
I’ve never used it, but one should also ask a what kind of 90 degree rotation does it do. Good image editors can do lossless 90 degree JPEG rotation, meaning they don’t compound the JPEG lossiness and potential artifacts every time.
AFAIK, it actually doesn’t require modification of the original file at all. It can be done with a metadata change in a sidecar file.
In my mobile app, I can select a photo > edit > crop, and get rotate options there. Does that do what you’re looking for? I can’t confirm right now since I’m not home and haven’t exposed it beyond my home network yet, and haven’t tried it from the web interface. I agree though, as I continue to use it, rotating will be a common use case and I’d hope it handles it gracefully.
Yes you can do all of that, but it’s saved as a separate asset that is not related in any way to the original. That’s the issue. Also, it would be nice to be able to do these things in the web app as well.
As for syncing, if all your phones are logged into Immich as the same user, you wouldn’t have any issues syncing photos. I don’t thing Immich currently allows sharing assets between users. That can be troublesome for family albums.
Can’t rotate or do basic edits in web app, dead to me.
Also can’t really sync and share with rest of household. Auto sync to phones is also a must.
I was seriously unimpressed with its features, and I’m not bothering with it again anytime soon.
Syncing to all of my household’s phones was one of my main requirements. So far its working, maybe its been recently updated.
The sync is weird though. I can’t say “upload this image” I have to say “keep this whole folder in sync”.
Yes, it can do both.
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I have no more wants of Immich, it does everything that I need lol
Manual ordering of images in albums is an absolute must before I adopt any image management system. It’s wierd to me that seemingly none of the FOSS systems support it (considering that most of us are datahoading control freaks).
Basic editing, plus full implementation in tag view woulf be nice. Also the mobile app needs a little work still. Oh, also pet recognition would be cool. All of those are planned, although the last one needs some external stuff before they can do it.
And a few other tweaks and QoL improvements here and there. But it’s really close.
Shift+click a range of images to add them to a location in batch, please.
Maybe I misunderstand, but can’t you do this already? I do this all the time when adding to albums at least.
In immich web try this: select an image, the next image leave it unselected, shift+click and select a third image. The second image should be selected, so all three images are selected.
Works for me.
Are you on a really old version maybe?
This issue closed as fixed but not fixed for me: https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/8216
That sounds like a very different thing though? Or you’re saying you have two issues?
Yes, it seems that I copy/pasted a wrong link.
Ok
I’m on v1.138.1
That sounds intended? Have you tried Ctrl+click to skip the second image?
But I don’t want to skip the second image. I want to select all the images between the first click and de second click. This is something that is standard in many applications.
Hmm, I agree, your last comment made it sound like that was the current behavior with shift
That is the current behavior. Not sure why it’s not working for them.
Copying this from Reddit (I still get the daily emails)
You know you can just delete the email address from your reddit account, right? I don’t know why you’d want to willingly tie reddit to your email in the first place.
It’s a throwaway address I use for online vendors. Most of those get an addy.io address nowadays, but Reddit still goes to the original address.
TL;DR: I’m aware, thanks.
I have a feeling it’ll simply grow more in popularity, since stable release will probably make a lot more people feel more comfortable recommending it to people, myself included.
Right now, I don’t treat it as if it’s a backup in any way due to its beta nature, and I hope that can change.
It’ll be safe to host without extra software in front of it to make it read-only
I seriously only want to have options for sorting when I do a search. That’s the only thing that I need for it to be “perfect”.
I tried it briefly, but when I realized I could not easily sync a bunch of my pictures from server to new phone, I lost interest and went back to syncthing
Just out of curiosity, what’s the use case for having all your photos actually on the phone as opposed to remote access from your phone?
Backup, redundancy, easy access… If my server goes down I don’t have the time to fix it at the moment.
Also the photos app on my phone is quite good, so I find it very easy to find old pictures quickly.
I also prefer offline-capable solutions
If the internet disappears or you lose access to it for some reason, you can still see your photos.
You can survive a day trip without access to your photos. We managed just fine before smartphones brought that practice into the mainstream.
Unless you’re a professional photographer who likes self hosting… 😝
That would be an insane amount of phone storage. I don’t think a single available smart phone could sync an entire professional library of photos. Especially considering how large each photo is.
Could use folders per project. Come on… you’re still commenting on this ?
Man, you’re the one who came in and said Immich could be used by professional photographers. Don’t make dumbshit statements and then get pissy when others explain how you’re wrong.
A professional photographer doesn’t use cloud storage to store the GBs of RAW files from their shoots
Why not? They absolutely should be using something like Backblaze. In fact someone who has digital photos as their business would be dumb not to use cloud storage.
You’re not uploading to Backblaze as you shoot photos. You’re dumping the SD cards, or saving RAW files directly, onto a fileserver or computer of some sort.
Nobody in their right mind would use Immich or GPhotos for that kind of thing, which is what this chain was about. Backblaze is a completely different scenario, for backing up data after the fact.
Downvoted for reality.
You can still use Syncthing to pull photos back to the phone, Immich just stores them in organized directories as normal files.
