It’s still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico’s messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can’t confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should’ve been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn’t isn’t proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it’s proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?
Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.
Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.
In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.
I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.
“Please donate to Harris, it’s the only way to win.”
That’s the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they’re going to think, “This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him.”
I saw messages like that, too, and went, “Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist.”
Yeah, those few citizens not buying their bullshit can make all the difference.
It’s why we should focus all of our efforts on making sure people like her never become the nominee, because that’s essentially handing the presidency to the republicans.
Nominating hillary fucking clinton in 2016 over Bernie Sanders was bonkers. I don’t think the nation will ever recover from that blunder, and we still don’t put the blame where it belongs.
Although I think we also need to take a step further back and wonder how the fuck we could get to the point where Trump was a viable option in the first place. In essence, that really is the bigger issue at hand. Not that Harris wasn’t good enough; but that Trump was perceived as somehow being better by vast swaths of the electorate. That is deeply fucked. Naturally, we know this has to deal with wealth inequality and who controls the media. far-right white billionaires.
Going forward it’s my hope that we see more of the likes of AOC and Talarico. They are clearly the future of this party. Progressive messaging meets wit and charisma and authenticity.
Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I’m SO relieved… lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up “imPEriAlisM.” Why am I unsurprised.
Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to “finish the job,” and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into “the next Riviera.”
Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.
Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.
Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she’s better?
Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.
EDIT: Bonus: “How soy” he says, LOL.
Take a look at their moderation history and what they’ve been banned for in the past.
Take a look at their comment history to see gems such as, “Death to America,” “Name a Russian colony,” and “want to see a westerner have a full on tantrum? Suggest to them that their actions are not always morally neutral” LOL.
Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.
Hey bro! I’m an American from Pennsylvania. I’m only telling you this so your bigotry doesn’t blind you before reading the following message:
You’re a baby brain. The day you pick up a book and read a single page is the day hell freezes over. Your lack of understanding of political theory is second only to just how unintelligent your writing style is.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections, when certain states fight each other over who gets to go first.
In 2020, the first primary was February 3rd and the final one wasn’t until August 11th. Six months. Just for the primary. 190 days.
Harris had 107. AND still had to run a campaign for the general too. So, no. There was no time for a proper primary, not unless Biden dropped out in 2023.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections
Not attacking you personally, but again this smells like a bullshit excuse. More people voted in America idol than in the primary and they have no problem.
Actually, I made that last statistic up, but it feels right. The point is that in 2025 there is no excuse.
Oh, more people DEFINITELY voted in American Idol. 😉 But US elections have more restrictions and security as well and protections against double voting and so on. You can’t vote by phone or online in a US election either, that’s illegal.
So, 107 days to run both a primary in 50 states AND a general election.
Candidates have to announce, prepare platforms, and debate. Ballots have to be printed and mailed for mail in voting states, after the election it can take a week to verify and certify. And THEN, whoever wins, still has to compete in the general election with zero time to prep, debate, etc. 107 days was not enough time.
This is why I say, yes, if Biden dropped out in 2023, by all means, lets have a proper primary.
At which point the DNC would have put their thumb on the scale as they did in 2020 and 2016 and we get Harris anyway.
But there was a 2024 Democratic Primaries, and Biden won?
Incumbents have a massive advantage by default, and it was very hard for anyone to challenge that. Biden had to commit to being a 1-term President and step down.
Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You’re doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.
lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.
I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.
When democrats drag the bodies of the people they threw under the bus back out to use as a shield
HalfSalesman, serious question: what’s the difference between you and a fucking nazi? The way the both of you feel free to use words as playthings and force the rest of us to defend reality from you?
Well he’s willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris’. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn’t think of.
OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don’t think it’d be productive even having a discussion with you.
I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.
Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn’t acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
Read my bio. I used to believe in those things. Now I kind of believe in nothing. With a small voice of hope in my head that I deeply deeply resent and wish to kill. That tiny voice of hope is partly why I come onto Lemmy though. Part of me wants to be wrong.
TBH, right now I’ve been focusing on just making more money, getting drunk at bars, and one night stands to distract myself. (Later about to be way more fun once I get my vasectomy done) Maybe a video game here and there. Putting my energy into just enjoying civilization’s final days as much as possible. I only get online and argue/despair about politics during slow periods at work.
No shit you’re not trying to convince anyone to change their views. You’re engaging in a vapid self indulgent tantrum.
My main offense is taken by you pretending you’re holding out on us.
You need to shut the fuck up. Taking up all this oxygen in the room just to declare how smart you are and fuck everyone who isn’t you? And you segue into this from saying how mature you are??
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Make good on your threat to leave this kind of discussion to other people because you are an active detriment.
Hey look at me I have aged but I have not grown. My tears are precious. My anger is a guiding light. To what? Silence. Just listen to me dammit.
Holding out on you? Mature? Where the fuck did I say I was mature? I said I’ve been doing this shit a long time but I never used the word mature. What the fuck are you babbling about? I’m saying experienced, that’s not the same as maturity. Maturity is more of a social construct implying a wise and pro-social state.
Here’s the thing: Everytime I get into discussions with you fucking people (or watching discussions play out between you and other people on here) trying to pry out your actual stances are, you get pissy because you know they’re unhinged views and no one sane takes them seriously when they’re laid out on the table. Or you do what you are doing now: hyperfixate on the character of who you are arguing with, in this case me. I never claimed to have good character, I’ll embrace the fact that I’ve become a misanthrope because its true. I don’t give a fuck that you think I’m a bad person, we will never fucking meet. You believe bad people are good and good people are bad anyway so I don’t give a fuck about your tainted evaluation of my character. It doesn’t fucking matter to either of us I don’t know why you pretend. Well, I mean I do: cognitive dissonance and maybe propaganda purposes.
Notice how I more or stated the person’s views are delusional after insisting they come out with it though. I called them a coward because they obfuscated their beliefs to get them to just fucking come out with it. After they disclosed what they actually thought, I realized that I was basically potentially engaging with a flat earther equivalent set of arguments and told them I hated them for the consequences of their rhetoric.
What else needs to be said? That you guys decide to engage with me after implies that you think there is something to be gained in doing so. IDK why you don’t just block me if that isn’t the case.
Telling me to go away wont work. My job has too many boring moments and I got to fill that shit with something.
It’s still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico’s messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can’t confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should’ve been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn’t isn’t proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it’s proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?
Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.
Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.
In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.
I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.
“Please donate to Harris, it’s the only way to win.”
That’s the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they’re going to think, “This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him.”
I saw messages like that, too, and went, “Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist.”
Yeah, those few citizens not buying their bullshit can make all the difference.
It’s why we should focus all of our efforts on making sure people like her never become the nominee, because that’s essentially handing the presidency to the republicans.
Nominating hillary fucking clinton in 2016 over Bernie Sanders was bonkers. I don’t think the nation will ever recover from that blunder, and we still don’t put the blame where it belongs.
Yep, agreed.
Although I think we also need to take a step further back and wonder how the fuck we could get to the point where Trump was a viable option in the first place. In essence, that really is the bigger issue at hand. Not that Harris wasn’t good enough; but that Trump was perceived as somehow being better by vast swaths of the electorate. That is deeply fucked. Naturally, we know this has to deal with wealth inequality and who controls the media. far-right white billionaires.
Going forward it’s my hope that we see more of the likes of AOC and Talarico. They are clearly the future of this party. Progressive messaging meets wit and charisma and authenticity.
It’s been a fucking decade. You have zero excuse to not have an answer for this by now. If you don’t, blame yourself and your ideology.
He’ll die sooner
She was not ambiguous about her support for the police state, imperialism, nor genocide
Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I’m SO relieved… lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up “imPEriAlisM.” Why am I unsurprised.
Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to “finish the job,” and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into “the next Riviera.”
Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.
Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.
Douche chill.
Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she’s better?
You have a baby brain.
Or you just explicitly don’t value human life if it’s brown and on the other side of imaginary line.
God. Imagine even bringing up the concept of the millions of dead overseas we’re responsible for. How soy. How mockable.
I need to spend three times as long typing this word just so everyone knows how silly valuing human life is in my eyes.
Found the maga bot.
Tagged!
Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.
EDIT: Bonus: “How soy” he says, LOL.
Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.
Slava Ukraini!
American brains are so cooked by their media environment they cannot comprehend a world without exactly two political positions.
Someone disagreed with me? But I’m good! That must mean they are from bad!
No thought stopping cliches needed here. No thinking in the first place.
Hey bro! I’m an American from Pennsylvania. I’m only telling you this so your bigotry doesn’t blind you before reading the following message:
You’re a baby brain. The day you pick up a book and read a single page is the day hell freezes over. Your lack of understanding of political theory is second only to just how unintelligent your writing style is.
Sure you are, “bro” ;)
Slava Ukraini.
Fuck Putin, and fuck the CCP.
Racist moron.
No racism here, little CCP Tankie! Are you racist against bears or something?
False binary.
One of the other options was a fair open primary.
That is Biden’s fault not Harris’s.
I’d add the DNC leadership to the blame.
If Biden had dropped out earlier or decided not to run, absolutely.
But there was no way to run a 50 state primary before the election with 100 days to go.
Democrats would still be arguing over a venue at this point.
I don’t buy that excuse. They didn’t want to. Every other country in the world can organise a full election in under 100 days.
A short campaign was likely a benefit, quite frankly, considering how badly it was run.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections, when certain states fight each other over who gets to go first.
In 2020, the first primary was February 3rd and the final one wasn’t until August 11th. Six months. Just for the primary. 190 days.
Harris had 107. AND still had to run a campaign for the general too. So, no. There was no time for a proper primary, not unless Biden dropped out in 2023.
Not attacking you personally, but again this smells like a bullshit excuse. More people voted in America idol than in the primary and they have no problem.
Actually, I made that last statistic up, but it feels right. The point is that in 2025 there is no excuse.
Oh, more people DEFINITELY voted in American Idol. 😉 But US elections have more restrictions and security as well and protections against double voting and so on. You can’t vote by phone or online in a US election either, that’s illegal.
So, 107 days to run both a primary in 50 states AND a general election.
Candidates have to announce, prepare platforms, and debate. Ballots have to be printed and mailed for mail in voting states, after the election it can take a week to verify and certify. And THEN, whoever wins, still has to compete in the general election with zero time to prep, debate, etc. 107 days was not enough time.
This is why I say, yes, if Biden dropped out in 2023, by all means, lets have a proper primary.
At which point the DNC would have put their thumb on the scale as they did in 2020 and 2016 and we get Harris anyway.
Can only do that if Biden chose to step down; by the time Biden actually dropped out there wasn’t feasible time.
This is why I easily blame Biden and his yes-men for about 80% of the loss or more.
And in the end, it wasn’t a false dichotomy; it was binary when people opted to vote or not.
No no. The rule that being president means you run for your second term unopposed in your party is also bullshit.
But there was a 2024 Democratic Primaries, and Biden won?
Incumbents have a massive advantage by default, and it was very hard for anyone to challenge that. Biden had to commit to being a 1-term President and step down.
I still blame Biden for 80% or more.
You’re still pretending the democratic party has primaries?
Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You’re doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.
Drop the embarrassingly bad jokes. Go ahead and defend Donald Trump. Take ownership of your fucking position you coward.
He said, supporting a genocide and pretending the opposite
lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.
I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.
When democrats drag the bodies of the people they threw under the bus back out to use as a shield
HalfSalesman, serious question: what’s the difference between you and a fucking nazi? The way the both of you feel free to use words as playthings and force the rest of us to defend reality from you?
You’re exhausting. I’m not a democrat or a nazi.
Are we going to discuss how you guys think Trump winning is good for the left actually? Or something like that?
When was the last time you beat your wife?
Well he’s willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris’. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn’t think of.
OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don’t think it’d be productive even having a discussion with you.
I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.
Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn’t acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
So what do you, like… Believe in?
Read my bio. I used to believe in those things. Now I kind of believe in nothing. With a small voice of hope in my head that I deeply deeply resent and wish to kill. That tiny voice of hope is partly why I come onto Lemmy though. Part of me wants to be wrong.
TBH, right now I’ve been focusing on just making more money, getting drunk at bars, and one night stands to distract myself. (Later about to be way more fun once I get my vasectomy done) Maybe a video game here and there. Putting my energy into just enjoying civilization’s final days as much as possible. I only get online and argue/despair about politics during slow periods at work.
No shit you’re not trying to convince anyone to change their views. You’re engaging in a vapid self indulgent tantrum.
My main offense is taken by you pretending you’re holding out on us.
You need to shut the fuck up. Taking up all this oxygen in the room just to declare how smart you are and fuck everyone who isn’t you? And you segue into this from saying how mature you are??
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Make good on your threat to leave this kind of discussion to other people because you are an active detriment.
Hey look at me I have aged but I have not grown. My tears are precious. My anger is a guiding light. To what? Silence. Just listen to me dammit.
Holding out on you? Mature? Where the fuck did I say I was mature? I said I’ve been doing this shit a long time but I never used the word mature. What the fuck are you babbling about? I’m saying experienced, that’s not the same as maturity. Maturity is more of a social construct implying a wise and pro-social state.
Here’s the thing: Everytime I get into discussions with you fucking people (or watching discussions play out between you and other people on here) trying to pry out your actual stances are, you get pissy because you know they’re unhinged views and no one sane takes them seriously when they’re laid out on the table. Or you do what you are doing now: hyperfixate on the character of who you are arguing with, in this case me. I never claimed to have good character, I’ll embrace the fact that I’ve become a misanthrope because its true. I don’t give a fuck that you think I’m a bad person, we will never fucking meet. You believe bad people are good and good people are bad anyway so I don’t give a fuck about your tainted evaluation of my character. It doesn’t fucking matter to either of us I don’t know why you pretend. Well, I mean I do: cognitive dissonance and maybe propaganda purposes.
Notice how I more or stated the person’s views are delusional after insisting they come out with it though. I called them a coward because they obfuscated their beliefs to get them to just fucking come out with it. After they disclosed what they actually thought, I realized that I was basically potentially engaging with a flat earther equivalent set of arguments and told them I hated them for the consequences of their rhetoric.
What else needs to be said? That you guys decide to engage with me after implies that you think there is something to be gained in doing so. IDK why you don’t just block me if that isn’t the case.
Telling me to go away wont work. My job has too many boring moments and I got to fill that shit with something.
Every. Fucking. Way.
Too late–the violence already happened.