Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.
According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees’ work authorization, agents “cursed at him” and “violently body-slammed him onto the pavement.” Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.
“You don’t f— with ICE. We are here,” agents responded, according to the claim.
So do you believe this 79 year old used violence and this was the result? My guess was he tried to be peaceful and naive, like you, and guess what? ICE laughed because they got an easy target.
You are also in these comments saying people can’t provide an example of violence being used to stop fascism. Guess whatever passed for a school where you’re from didn’t teach you about allied forces spending years successfully beating back fascism. To be fair it was a very little known movement called World War Two. People like you not being taught what that sacrifice meant are the reason we are here.
Violence is a tool. It is neither good or bad. Looking at one group using violence to terrorize and harm innocents, and another group using it against THOSE people to stop it, and saying they’re both equally bad is so incredibly absurd that it is obvious you are not arguing in good faith and instead siding with the first group but pretending to be neutral.
No.
Not at all. Violence can stop fascism. The allies defeating Nazi Germany proved that. But that is a really dark scenario that makes things go south before they become better. That took a war, and all I’m saying is that should be prevented when possible. It’s the last resort. I also said violence can backfire, which I truly believe.
Edit: to support that last claim I mentioned the fire of the reichstag and the prelude to the kristallnacht
This is already a dark scenario and things are getting worse without getting better. We hit that magical 3.5% protest number a few months ago and here we are. The dictator just announced more troop deployments, stating that Portland, a major metro area filled woth normal people doing nothing wrong, is an active warzone taken over by terrorists and that the military can use full force to murder civilians in an attempt genocide the “others” in society.
You are refusing to grasp the reality of the situation. When enough people do what you are doing, it normalizes fascism.
Everyone wishes violence doesn’t exist. No one wants to live through fascism or face the possibility of dying early in war. But refusing to prepare for those things when they are at your doorstep, and encouraging others to do the same, is dangerous and harmful.
I don’t think opposing it with everything you have but violence normalizes it.
I’m not even against preparing for violence. Just not yet for engaging in it and starting civil war.
Because of people like you ripping the reins back and saying people ready to stop this madness are wrong, we do not have the unity needed to start effective resistance conflict. We can’t fight how we need to, because too many of you exist who are ready to throw us to the wolves if we try.
You are deluding yourself thinking that fascists understand anything but violence, that they will have empathy or pity for you if you act helpless enough for long enough. Meanwhile, people like the man in this article have real, tangible suffering that is all too easy for you to ignore, because you have never experienced it yourself