Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.
According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees’ work authorization, agents “cursed at him” and “violently body-slammed him onto the pavement.” Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.
“You don’t f— with ICE. We are here,” agents responded, according to the claim.
I don’t think fighting ICE is going to get rid of the problem before causing a civil war. And I also think that civil war is still preventable through peaceful means.
the “peaceful means” are We the People rolling over and allowing the alt-right to continue deploying military and Gestapo agents in our streets and communities.
~ Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, 2024
Of course it isn’t, and again talk about civil war is a slippery slope argument.
The post you originally responded to didn’t even mention anything about violence, but only that 14 days until the next big demonstration is too long, and strong worded letters are not enough, and you immediately conflate that to too much violence?
WTF???
Obviously if USA wants to keep their democracy, this cannot at this time be achieved without a demonstration of force.
A demonstration of force does not have to be violent, but it does require people to respond in force, as in many people showing up. And just as in war, you cannot win if you are not willing to fight.
Fascism can’t be beat by pacifism.
I don’t think that’s right. That post ended with:
Which has to be a veiled call for violence. We might all agree about the other parts of that and then in true anti fascist fashion we start fighting about this one.
E: typos
Power of the people, as in massive demonstrations, that can be shown without violence. But it needs to be shown the power is there if needed.
Yeah, that was not at all clear. So perhaps there isn’t so much disagreement.
That’s how I read it, you are right it’s not entirely clear, but I don’t think anybody sane wants a civil war.
But the people rising up for a rebellion can be peaceful, almost all the former eastern European communist countries had peaceful rebellions that overthrew communism and gave them democracy.
Yeah, this fight is suddenly very boring 😝
You still need to be ready to fight, or rather a lot of people need to. Otherwise this fight is already lost.