I’ll say this, when I was in college I had a particularly silly, in my mind, professor. It was a general cultural anthropology class my freshman year. The teacher spoke about a study done with babies. It had to do with how baby boys and baby girls could crawl at the same speed. But mostly about how the parents assumed the boys would do better. The case showed they crawled around the same speed and their motor skills developed at roughly the same pace. He then used that to extrapolate that women have the same physical capabilities as men. Society telling them otherwise is the only reason they aren’t winning strong man competitions, competing at the same level in the Olympics, etcetera. I believe I am a liberal but I dont think any suggestion regarding biology is automatically anti trans. I think promoting ideas like that professor did are disingenuous and harmful to both sides honestly.
I am open to giving benefit of the doubt, but when someone is “apolitical”, but also doesn’t like left wing talking points, doesn’t directly say what they are talking about and vehemently defends russian war of aggression in other threads, I can’t help but suspect transphobia.
Obviously, your story is the other extreme, but I rarely see that side of the discussion.
anyone that says they are “apolitical, or i hate trump,but” yea those are right wingers, trying to not be called out. or my favorite is how they pretend to be a center right, or on the left it always begins with" i support this and this dem BUT,"
Yeah my goal isn’t to defend that guy, seems like a troll tbh. Really, just wanted to express sometimes unreasonable ideas are pushed and opposition is suppressed via positions of power (professor) or ostracization (trigger word phobic).
I mean, yeah, my point isn’t that only one side is ever correct, but it does usually lean towards one end of the political spectrum than the other in the online discussions. People who are accepting of LGBT+ are on average more level headed and have better critical thinking. Though you can meet trolls and assholes anywhere if you search hard enough
While I don’t think the two sexes have the same physical capabilities, I dislike how being a woman is such a hyperspecific category in sports like someone could be born AFAB and lived as a woman their entire life only to be found as intersex in some test and now they’re automatically a man and should use masculine pronouns.
And as someone who is AFAB, growing up I was often discouraged from going outside, and the gym was off-limits, which would’ve been a disadvantage for me if it wasn’t for calisthenics. It’s not like the physical strength of a man and woman is so far apart either. Some people even claim that an out-of-shape man can overpower a trained woman. In Tug-of-War I’m able to win against an AMAB and I haven’t had any HRT yet lol
I hear you and respect what you’re saying. The difference on average is about 40%-60% based on what I’ve been able to find. In that, the average male is about 40%-60% stronger than the average female. Alot of that is based on ability to accrue muscle mass. Thats not to say some men are on the low end and some women are on the high end. Sure, you can beat a guy at a tug of war but thats not how population averages work. I’ll link one study that shows this but I promise many more exist as well. My position is not that women shouldn’t be in the gym, participating in sports or doing physically active things. My position is that when facts about the world are ignored, the speaker and their side are going to lose credibility.
No you didn’t say anything wrong re: women participating in physical activities, it’s just that the professor had a point. Not that the two sexes have the same physical capability or ceiling (your professor didn’t even factor puberty and hormones), but that women aren’t as strong as they could be because of how society treats them differently. Lots of girls aren’t even allowed to go outside and play rough for example. Because they don’t become as physically capable it becomes a feedback loop where people assume they are weak so they are discouraged from physically demanding activities.
And me mentioning the Tug-of-War thing wasn’t about what you said but a statement against the people I mentioned beforehand who claimed that the physical disparity was so high that an out of shape man can beat a trained woman.
I hear ya. I don’t disagree with your sentiment either. Women/girls/everyone should be pushed to engage with eachother in all endeavors. It gets harder as girls become women and boys become men though, especially in contact sports/play. We had a couple girls on my wresting team in high school and they genuinely crushed most of their male opponents. If society pushed women to compete or engage roughly the same they did men I think the gaps would be smaller. How much smaller? No idea.
Phobia, in this context, means strong aversion to. But I think the fact that you tried to play semantics answered the question well enough.
What do you mean when you say people on this platform “pretend science isn’t real”? The fact that you can’t give a straight answer seems rather telling…
You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
No… how do you get that from what I’ve said. We should out talk them, the example post given is very easy to poke holes in. People can and do change their minds, but only when challenged. Giving up, slapping a label on and holding moral superiority just grows their side. While you get to feel good about calling them a nazi. Doesn’t help anyone and just pushes them further down that hate filled mindset. You beat hate with compassion and conversation, not more hate. Look into the artist Daryl Davis, his ideology around the subject is how I frame mine.
“There will always be nazis” is pretty fatalistic. And beside that point, why can’t we do both? Poking holes in their dingbat ideology and shaming them for how vile they are are by no means mutually exclusive.
You’re never going to get someone to leave their side and come to yours with that mentality. Shaming them does nothing but make you feel superior. Use someone like Daryl Davis as an example.
Okay, so feel free to start de-radicalizing them. Go ahead, be my guest, I will happily support you doing that just like I have in all the other threads where people attempt that. I’ll just patiently wait right here while you get on practicing what you preach.
Seriously though, if they don’t wanna be called a nazi, maybe they shouldn’t do stuff like advocate for the implementation of nazi policies. Sure the centrist line about ‘labeling everything you don’t like a nazi devalues the term’ probably has some degree of merit, but that’s not whats happening here. They’re just a regular old far-right authoritarian whackjob troll and pointing out the festering hatred that even lemmy, with it’s much less toxic community compared to reddit or twitter, still has lurking in the userbase is important.
Besides, there’s no way for them to be more radicalized. They’re already a transphobic pro-oligarchical eugenicist with a gun fetish that desperately LARPs as a rich white woman by posting stolen shots of prop money and expensive cars. How much worse could they actually be?
I can’t talk to them because all their comments were removed, not deleted by them, removed… This is also just a general thing for me not centered solely around this individual troll.
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"Russia has the strongest military in the world that has technology that can eviscerate all NATO members within 20 minutes.
Some of their strategic argument doesn’t even need nuclear capabilities.
Not saying they’re invulnerable against attack, but they would be able to devastate all of NATO with their attacks."
My favorite quote: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -Karl Marx
I don’t even consider myself a “communist”, but that statement is based af.
I’ve seen communists disown that quote and say its not the same context as 2A. But I’m not familiar enough with the movement to really understand who means/wants what.
This sounds more like you’re painting over all of Lemmy with a hard-core leftist/?furry? brush. That’s not necessarily what I’ve seen, though I’ve only been here a month vs over a decade on reddit. I like guns and science but do still consider myself a liberal.
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is “the science of biology” code speak for transphobia?
Isn’t it possible to acknowledge biological sex as a fact while also recognising that gender identity is about subjective experience?
It is, but that’s not what’s going on here
I believe it is
I’ll say this, when I was in college I had a particularly silly, in my mind, professor. It was a general cultural anthropology class my freshman year. The teacher spoke about a study done with babies. It had to do with how baby boys and baby girls could crawl at the same speed. But mostly about how the parents assumed the boys would do better. The case showed they crawled around the same speed and their motor skills developed at roughly the same pace. He then used that to extrapolate that women have the same physical capabilities as men. Society telling them otherwise is the only reason they aren’t winning strong man competitions, competing at the same level in the Olympics, etcetera. I believe I am a liberal but I dont think any suggestion regarding biology is automatically anti trans. I think promoting ideas like that professor did are disingenuous and harmful to both sides honestly.
I am open to giving benefit of the doubt, but when someone is “apolitical”, but also doesn’t like left wing talking points, doesn’t directly say what they are talking about and vehemently defends russian war of aggression in other threads, I can’t help but suspect transphobia.
Obviously, your story is the other extreme, but I rarely see that side of the discussion.
anyone that says they are “apolitical, or i hate trump,but” yea those are right wingers, trying to not be called out. or my favorite is how they pretend to be a center right, or on the left it always begins with" i support this and this dem BUT,"
Yeah my goal isn’t to defend that guy, seems like a troll tbh. Really, just wanted to express sometimes unreasonable ideas are pushed and opposition is suppressed via positions of power (professor) or ostracization (trigger word phobic).
I mean, yeah, my point isn’t that only one side is ever correct, but it does usually lean towards one end of the political spectrum than the other in the online discussions. People who are accepting of LGBT+ are on average more level headed and have better critical thinking. Though you can meet trolls and assholes anywhere if you search hard enough
While I don’t think the two sexes have the same physical capabilities, I dislike how being a woman is such a hyperspecific category in sports like someone could be born AFAB and lived as a woman their entire life only to be found as intersex in some test and now they’re automatically a man and should use masculine pronouns.
And as someone who is AFAB, growing up I was often discouraged from going outside, and the gym was off-limits, which would’ve been a disadvantage for me if it wasn’t for calisthenics. It’s not like the physical strength of a man and woman is so far apart either. Some people even claim that an out-of-shape man can overpower a trained woman. In Tug-of-War I’m able to win against an AMAB and I haven’t had any HRT yet lol
I hear you and respect what you’re saying. The difference on average is about 40%-60% based on what I’ve been able to find. In that, the average male is about 40%-60% stronger than the average female. Alot of that is based on ability to accrue muscle mass. Thats not to say some men are on the low end and some women are on the high end. Sure, you can beat a guy at a tug of war but thats not how population averages work. I’ll link one study that shows this but I promise many more exist as well. My position is not that women shouldn’t be in the gym, participating in sports or doing physically active things. My position is that when facts about the world are ignored, the speaker and their side are going to lose credibility.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7930971/
No you didn’t say anything wrong re: women participating in physical activities, it’s just that the professor had a point. Not that the two sexes have the same physical capability or ceiling (your professor didn’t even factor puberty and hormones), but that women aren’t as strong as they could be because of how society treats them differently. Lots of girls aren’t even allowed to go outside and play rough for example. Because they don’t become as physically capable it becomes a feedback loop where people assume they are weak so they are discouraged from physically demanding activities.
And me mentioning the Tug-of-War thing wasn’t about what you said but a statement against the people I mentioned beforehand who claimed that the physical disparity was so high that an out of shape man can beat a trained woman.
I hear ya. I don’t disagree with your sentiment either. Women/girls/everyone should be pushed to engage with eachother in all endeavors. It gets harder as girls become women and boys become men though, especially in contact sports/play. We had a couple girls on my wresting team in high school and they genuinely crushed most of their male opponents. If society pushed women to compete or engage roughly the same they did men I think the gaps would be smaller. How much smaller? No idea.
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What people exactly are you referring to?
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Do elaborate. Not being able to name the source of your frustration sure sounds like a phobia to me.
Phobia, in this context, means strong aversion to. But I think the fact that you tried to play semantics answered the question well enough.
What do you mean when you say people on this platform “pretend science isn’t real”? The fact that you can’t give a straight answer seems rather telling…
He’s just a troll
Bud you literally want the mentally ill segregated out of society, you’re not apolitical, you’re a nazi.
You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
Not everyone wants to spend all their energy debating nazis. It’s not going to change the nazi’s mind.
they recieve an instant block, i rarely report.
Then there will always be nazis
I notice they didn’t say “live and let live”
So we should just… give up and accept them?
No… how do you get that from what I’ve said. We should out talk them, the example post given is very easy to poke holes in. People can and do change their minds, but only when challenged. Giving up, slapping a label on and holding moral superiority just grows their side. While you get to feel good about calling them a nazi. Doesn’t help anyone and just pushes them further down that hate filled mindset. You beat hate with compassion and conversation, not more hate. Look into the artist Daryl Davis, his ideology around the subject is how I frame mine.
“There will always be nazis” is pretty fatalistic. And beside that point, why can’t we do both? Poking holes in their dingbat ideology and shaming them for how vile they are are by no means mutually exclusive.
You’re never going to get someone to leave their side and come to yours with that mentality. Shaming them does nothing but make you feel superior. Use someone like Daryl Davis as an example.
Okay, so feel free to start de-radicalizing them. Go ahead, be my guest, I will happily support you doing that just like I have in all the other threads where people attempt that. I’ll just patiently wait right here while you get on practicing what you preach.
Seriously though, if they don’t wanna be called a nazi, maybe they shouldn’t do stuff like advocate for the implementation of nazi policies. Sure the centrist line about ‘labeling everything you don’t like a nazi devalues the term’ probably has some degree of merit, but that’s not whats happening here. They’re just a regular old far-right authoritarian whackjob troll and pointing out the festering hatred that even lemmy, with it’s much less toxic community compared to reddit or twitter, still has lurking in the userbase is important.
Besides, there’s no way for them to be more radicalized. They’re already a transphobic pro-oligarchical eugenicist with a gun fetish that desperately LARPs as a rich white woman by posting stolen shots of prop money and expensive cars. How much worse could they actually be?
I can’t talk to them because all their comments were removed, not deleted by them, removed… This is also just a general thing for me not centered solely around this individual troll.
Think they are just a troll:
(Couldn’t link the comment for whatever reason:) "Russia has the strongest military in the world that has technology that can eviscerate all NATO members within 20 minutes.
Some of their strategic argument doesn’t even need nuclear capabilities.
Not saying they’re invulnerable against attack, but they would be able to devastate all of NATO with their attacks."
I was wondering how many comments it would take before someone was called a nazi. Turns out, 22.
It’s okay tho they made me president of their fanclub so I’m allowed to speak truth to
that dipshit trollpowerPlease elaborate on
“They don’t like the science of biology”
Hate guns? Now I know you’re just making shit up. Lemmy is like the most pro-gun website I’ve ever been on.
My favorite quote: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -Karl Marx
I don’t even consider myself a “communist”, but that statement is based af.
I’ve seen communists disown that quote and say its not the same context as 2A. But I’m not familiar enough with the movement to really understand who means/wants what.
I personally haven’t seen anything supporting what your saying.
Hey, you never told me what you thought of your newfound knowledge about solar cycles and mRNA vaccines, your post got deleted for some reason
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Ah I remember now, your post was about whether your college education was worth it. My apologies
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Why don’t you go back to your loser website then?
You’ve got a lot to choose from.
Odd that you’d try to stay in a place with “extremist left”.
This sounds more like you’re painting over all of Lemmy with a hard-core leftist/?furry? brush. That’s not necessarily what I’ve seen, though I’ve only been here a month vs over a decade on reddit. I like guns and science but do still consider myself a liberal.
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What about the furry part though, is the average lemmy user a furry? Not that I’ve seen.