An autopsy report seen by Newsweek showed Ge was found tied with a bedsheet, with linens around his wrists and ankles in what the report described as a “hog-tied” position. The medical examiner noted that there had been other reported incidents of people who had hung themselves having done something similar, and that there were no obvious defense wounds.
Am I missing something here? How does someone hogtie themselves and then hang themselves? How is this being considered a suicide? Am I on crazy pills?
David B. Rankin, the family’s attorney, in a statement to Newsweek: “It is truly mystifying how any detention facility can let someone leave their room, create three nooses and then hang themselves without anyone knowing. What’s worse is the lack of mental health care which could have prevented this tragedy. Mr. Ge’s death represents a totally failure on the part of the GeoGroup and the DHS.”
Seems like everyone is playing along with the claim of suicide while trying to get the details from DHS/GeoGroup.
The “nothing ever happens” crowd is doing their best to ensure that, while everything happens, you remain passively accepting of it.
We can round up people into death camps while our president has clearly raped children. Just as long as you keep going to work and “feeling crazy” thinking no one cares.
The place you won’t feel crazy is around other like minded people that ARE doing something. If you’re not working with a group like DSA, PSL, Mutual Aid groups, or hell, even your local anarchist group, you should be.
If you feel crazy it’s because you are for not doing anything. There is nothing crazy about what is happening to this country. It is textbook fascism mixed with the non action of liberals pretending to be the opposition to it. And that right now comes in the form of “pointing at bad thing” to give you a false sense of security in your inaction.
Even the comments here are filled with it. The doomerism that keeps us all from acting.
I imagine there are legal issues with reporting anything other than the official cause of death that Newsweek don’t want to get into so they just laid everything out nice and factually so that readers can come to their own conclusion…
That’s not an excuse. If our news media isn’t brave enough to call a spade a spade they are nothing more than a tool for complacency. Which they are.
A free and independent media would not be afraid to point out that a suicide as an “official” cause of death here is bull shit. That’s not something covering their ass legally. I swear people don’t know how US lible laws work. Saying that is clear freedom of the press. And it’s really sad that we all started to pretend that the news medias job is just to repeat the words of the powerful.
Oh I know, wasn’t this on Sherlock Holmes? They stood on a giant block of ice. When the ice melted, they were fatally hanged and the evidence disappeared
Put your head in the noose, tie your feet, tie your hands, probably using your mouth to pull the knot, and then do the drop. The reason for this would be to beat survival instinct.
Yes, but it describes it as hog tied, which is your feet ti d to your hands behind your back. I don’t think I could hog tie myself, let alone hang myself after.
TW: suicide???
Am I missing something here? How does someone hogtie themselves and then hang themselves? How is this being considered a suicide? Am I on crazy pills?
It’s the same sense that Epstein “committed suicide.”
A lot of people seem to “commit suicide” who were inconvenient to this Admin
That’s how it’s done in the United Soviet States of America.
Easy on the “United”.
Seems like everyone is playing along with the claim of suicide while trying to get the details from DHS/GeoGroup.
Shot himself in the head 4 times
nervous laughter What the fuck.
It’s not uncommon in Russia for people to commit suicide with a couple gunshots to the head, and then jumping out the window.
hunting accident
Thankfully Dick Cheney can no longer enter the chat.
Consistently happens to my 6/6/6 heirs… right after comet sighted.
The “nothing ever happens” crowd is doing their best to ensure that, while everything happens, you remain passively accepting of it.
We can round up people into death camps while our president has clearly raped children. Just as long as you keep going to work and “feeling crazy” thinking no one cares.
The place you won’t feel crazy is around other like minded people that ARE doing something. If you’re not working with a group like DSA, PSL, Mutual Aid groups, or hell, even your local anarchist group, you should be.
If you feel crazy it’s because you are for not doing anything. There is nothing crazy about what is happening to this country. It is textbook fascism mixed with the non action of liberals pretending to be the opposition to it. And that right now comes in the form of “pointing at bad thing” to give you a false sense of security in your inaction.
Even the comments here are filled with it. The doomerism that keeps us all from acting.
We are all on crazy pills on this glorious day.
I literally just copied the same exact passage intending to ask the same question here. I’m not understanding how this is feasible.
This is absolutely tragic, regardless of the answer. But… how is this even possible?
People kill themselves under impossible circumstances in Russia all the time.
Who are you to think it couldn’t happen in the US?
I imagine there are legal issues with reporting anything other than the official cause of death that Newsweek don’t want to get into so they just laid everything out nice and factually so that readers can come to their own conclusion…
That’s not an excuse. If our news media isn’t brave enough to call a spade a spade they are nothing more than a tool for complacency. Which they are.
A free and independent media would not be afraid to point out that a suicide as an “official” cause of death here is bull shit. That’s not something covering their ass legally. I swear people don’t know how US lible laws work. Saying that is clear freedom of the press. And it’s really sad that we all started to pretend that the news medias job is just to repeat the words of the powerful.
Oh I know, wasn’t this on Sherlock Holmes? They stood on a giant block of ice. When the ice melted, they were fatally hanged and the evidence disappeared
Ever heard of Occam’s razor?
Yes. I’ve also heard of Hanlons razor. Just because a philosophical concept exists doesn’t mean it’s universally applicable.
What about Gillette’s razor?
I used to apply it to everything, then I found out about safety’s razor
Hush. Stop asking questions.
Put your head in the noose, tie your feet, tie your hands, probably using your mouth to pull the knot, and then do the drop. The reason for this would be to beat survival instinct.
Yes, but it describes it as hog tied, which is your feet ti d to your hands behind your back. I don’t think I could hog tie myself, let alone hang myself after.
How do you tie your hands behind your back with your mouth? Especially when your neck is in a noose?
By using a slipknot. Ultimately it depends on the knots used and the order they were tied in, but it’s technically possible.
Is it probable or likely? Absolutely not.
Are there cases of suicide where this has happened outside of law enforcement custody?
It seems you need 3-5 feral hogs to help with some of the steps
I’ve got ehlers-danlos and I am experienced with self bondage. Tying my own hands behind my back is not easy for me, let alone the average person.