Default instance blocks should largely replace defederation

Since what content users might want to see is quite unlikely to match which servers the admins tolerate, choosing instance on the Fediverse can be quite complicated, which is inconvenient and off-putting for new users.

For this reason, and simply that the Fediverse is stronger united, I believe defederation should ideally be reserved for illegal content and extreme cases. If Fediverse platforms would allow instances to simply block the rest for users by default, the user experience would be the same, unless they decide otherwise.

@fediverse #fediverse #defederation

  • masimatutu@nerdica.netOP
    72·
    11 months ago

    Clarification, because people keep misunderstanding my point: What I’m advocating for is replacing most defederation with some sort of “soft defederation” in which instance admins can select domains which are blocked by default for the users, but which they can unblock afterwards if they want to.

    • poVoq@slrpnk.net
      182·
      11 months ago

      That wouldn’t work. I find it strange that some users keep thinking moderation or defederation is somehow about them or to keep them from accessing things. Talk about self-centered to an extreme degree 😅

      Defederation is primarily used to keep bad stuff away from an instance and its (volunteer) moderators. Either because it is illegal or because it causes loads of moderation workload in the communities hosted by an instance. Neither of which would your proposal of soft-defederation solve even a single bit.

      • masimatutu@nerdica.netOP
        42·
        11 months ago

        Well I said that illegal content should still be defederated. And I don’t think soft defederated content has to be moderated, since it’s only a number of users who choose to see it.

        • poVoq@slrpnk.net
          8·
          11 months ago

          Just because few people can see it in the home instance doesn’t mean it isn’t there. And when a community is viewed from remote instances that have a different soft-defederation list all the bad stuff will be publicly visible (and indexed via search engines).

          So for example a feminist community would be full of incel posts that are publicly visible almost everywhere.

          • masimatutu@nerdica.netOP
            41·
            11 months ago

            Okay, that’s entirely fair. I was mostly thinking about the microblogging side of the Fediverse and didn’t quite consider the complexity that it would add to community moderation. I guess better moderation mechanisms could probably account for that, but Lemmy is as of now far away from that.

            Edit: One might also solve that by not allowing soft defederated users to post in local communities.

        • poVoq@slrpnk.net
          132·
          11 months ago

          You got that completely backwards.

          You as a user are a guest of something akin to a private house party and are expected to behave as such. In turn the instance tries to be a welcoming party host by providing an enjoyable place for you to talk with other guests.

          Moderation in that case is about removing guest that don’t know how to behave and choose to shit on the carpet. Defederation is about turning away known to be bad guests at the entrance so that the volunteers inside don’t have to clean shit off the carpets all the time.

            • poVoq@slrpnk.net
              81·
              11 months ago

              Its a private party, not a service to anyone. The host does it because they enjoy having a party with their friends and other people that know how to behave.

              And no, federated users are no different from local users. What matters is the server location of the community.