Hi, Kuro5hinSlashdotDigg Reddit refugee here. Please keep it that way, it reminds me of the newsgroups or old communities when the web started, and it’s really better than fake rules with vague legal text. Also thanks for the web site.
It is intentionally vague. Please see the sidebar for the posts what is beehaw? and beehaw is a community. In particular that second link talks about the ethos of why the rules are intentionally vague. In short, this prevents anyone from being malicious and hiding behind rules to “just ask questions” or otherwise harass members with impunity.
it’s that way on purpose so y’all can ban whoever you want
it is that way on purpose, and it is so we can ban people on an as-needed basis (which i guess in a sense is “whoever [we] want”) but excluding obvious trolls i think we’ve banned literally three people ever on the instance and it’s been extant for a year. using intuition on what’s acceptable and what’s not–and nudging them when they break a boundary–appears to work quite well for our users, so we’re not liable to start writing explicit rules any time soon
You’re not wrong. But how does that make a successful website when you ban everyone who challenges ideas? People are mean in real life, all some are, and I don’t see how just banning what you don’t like makes you prepared to deal with ‘mean’ people.
But how does that make a successful website when you ban everyone who challenges ideas?
It doesn’t, but why would you think that they ban everyone who challenges ideas? They only want you to be nice.
People are mean in real life, all some are, and I don’t see how just banning what you don’t like makes you prepared to deal with ‘mean’ people.
Maybe that doesn’t perfectly prepare you, but not every website needs to do that. Other websites exist, on many of them you can literally be as mean as you want.
We have three admins here…odd number to break ties. Us three will discuss, if need be, what is nice and what is not nice. Most of the time this just boils down to common sense.
Ok, what if someone is being an asshole, can I call them out on that or do you immediately just ban them? What if I disagree with someone and that person gets pissed and calls me a homophobe or something, can I defend myself and my position?
Did you read the posts the linked you? I talk in depth about how discussions are encouraged. However, calling people names is not nice unless it’s warranted by behavior. Bans aren’t quick and fast and reactionary; behavior is to be discussed among all individuals involved.
Have had bad experiences with reddit mods. So it’s hard to say when people are being what.
i think it’d be useful in this case to go in with a blank slate, just on the basis that while this functions in many ways like reddit, it isn’t reddit. as noted elsewhere in this thread we’ve really not needed to ban people and this place has existed for over a year.
Anything that we deem is not nice.
Hi,
Kuro5hinSlashdotDiggReddit refugee here. Please keep it that way, it reminds me of the newsgroups or old communities when the web started, and it’s really better than fake rules with vague legal text. Also thanks for the web site.I will do everything in my power to keep it this way. Welcome to Beehaw.
That’s very vague, that could be anything though. Can you be more specific
It is intentionally vague. Please see the sidebar for the posts what is beehaw? and beehaw is a community. In particular that second link talks about the ethos of why the rules are intentionally vague. In short, this prevents anyone from being malicious and hiding behind rules to “just ask questions” or otherwise harass members with impunity.
Intentionally vague makes me think it’s that way on purpose so y’all can ban whoever you want
it is that way on purpose, and it is so we can ban people on an as-needed basis (which i guess in a sense is “whoever [we] want”) but excluding obvious trolls i think we’ve banned literally three people ever on the instance and it’s been extant for a year. using intuition on what’s acceptable and what’s not–and nudging them when they break a boundary–appears to work quite well for our users, so we’re not liable to start writing explicit rules any time soon
they can ban whoever they want, they own the website. Just like fb and twitter can ban whoever they want.
You’re not wrong. But how does that make a successful website when you ban everyone who challenges ideas? People are mean in real life, all some are, and I don’t see how just banning what you don’t like makes you prepared to deal with ‘mean’ people.
It doesn’t, but why would you think that they ban everyone who challenges ideas? They only want you to be nice.
Maybe that doesn’t perfectly prepare you, but not every website needs to do that. Other websites exist, on many of them you can literally be as mean as you want.
Like which websites can you be as mean as you want? I haven’t come across that
I guess there’s the chans, 4chan, 8kun etc. for one
This is not a space for mean people. They are not welcome.
We have three admins here…odd number to break ties. Us three will discuss, if need be, what is nice and what is not nice. Most of the time this just boils down to common sense.
Ok, what if someone is being an asshole, can I call them out on that or do you immediately just ban them? What if I disagree with someone and that person gets pissed and calls me a homophobe or something, can I defend myself and my position?
If you exceed 100 asshole units then you will be autobanned by one of the cyborg mods.
Did you read the posts the linked you? I talk in depth about how discussions are encouraged. However, calling people names is not nice unless it’s warranted by behavior. Bans aren’t quick and fast and reactionary; behavior is to be discussed among all individuals involved.
Have had bad experiences with reddit mods. So it’s hard to say when people are being what. So this statement seems a little ambiguous.
Have you tried reading the rest of the comments in this post? You may want to try that first.
I did. Some of them… But the vagueness is still concerning
https://beehaw.org/comment/65448
i think it’d be useful in this case to go in with a blank slate, just on the basis that while this functions in many ways like reddit, it isn’t reddit. as noted elsewhere in this thread we’ve really not needed to ban people and this place has existed for over a year.