Germany’s Bundesrat, the upper house of parliament, backed a bill to criminalize the denial of Israel’s right to exist on Friday, a motion that constitutional experts said could jeopardize freedom of expression.
According to the bill, anyone denying Israel’s right to exist or calling for its abolition would be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years under the regulation. The bill will be examined by the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, after its summer recess.
The Germans really love genocide.
This whole shit about “Right to exist” is extremely absurd.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.
exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that’s the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it’s doesn’t exist. but does it have a right to?
Genovia is a critical friend and ally to the United States. I stand with Genovia, both because of our shared values, which are so fundamental to the founding of both our nations, and I believe the bonds between the people of the United States and the people of Genovia are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Even right now Russia questions Ukraine’s right to exist, US questions Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba and Greenland’s right to exist. Britain has in living memory questioned Ireland’s right to exist.
Israel absolutely has a right to exist and it’s fine that’s put to law.
Palestine ALSO has a right to exist and it should also be put to law.
Can we first know what “right to exist” means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn’t have a “right to exist”. So, surely it’s not a universal right like a person’s right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it’s “right to exist”? So, what does it actually mean?
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All states (even Nazi Germany) have a “right to exist” and it cannot be revoked.
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No states have a “right to exist”.
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All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.
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It’s a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.
I’m leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.
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Israel has no right to exist. Germany also has no right to exist. No state has an inherent right to exist.
And what about Palestine’s right to exist? Lebanon? Syria?
I do not recognize terrorist states. Free Palestine. And fuck you Germany. You never changed.
What about Palestine’s right to exist? They going to pass a similar law about that?..no?.. Didn’t think so.
That’s some Zionist bullshit. I guarantee that any criticism of Israel would end up being lumped in.
Already is in Germany. It’s even illegal to protest in Germany in a different language, and that rule was specifically made to target the anti-genocide protests using Palestinian freedom slogans that have been around for decades
Directed at the German parliament
Anarchism made a thought crime in Germany.
Not the first time…
People OK, government bad.
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Apartheid Israel needs to undergo some very painful changes, starting with ending their genocide against Palestinians.
Israel is a settler colonial project, it fundamentally cannot exist as a pluralistic society.
Palestine used to be a pluralistic society.
Settler colonial projects absolutely can become pluralistic societies.
<gestures wildly at South Africa>
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Pissrael is colonial apartheid white supremacist project. It needs to be completely dismantled and destroyed.
Many many people should be tortured and executed, all the rest can be imprisoned and forced to reconstruct every building destroyed. The sentence ends when Palestine is fully rebuilt.
Palestine should be the only state and we should mind our own business on how they should govern their land.
Okay but where do you put the jews afterwards? Shall we build camps in Europe again?
Ahhh and there it is the zionist conflating religion and nationality. Good job you are a cunt.
I’m saying those people need a place to live too.
I’m not really much of a zionist, I actually believe both the Palestinians and the Jews can have their own countries and Israel shouldn’t be expanding obviously.
I live in a country that was literally declared judenfrei in the brief amount of time the nazis occupied us. I can see why they need their own nation state to feel safe. It just shouldn’t be what it is right now.
Palestine used to have all kinds of different faith co-living together, including jews! Again you are conflating religion and nationality, the land of your birth with the name of your preferred “sky daddy”.
Should we give christians their christland? Buddhist their Buddaland?
No, Jews DO NOT NEED THIER OWN THEOCRATIC NATION. Nobody NEEDS a nation. You are born into one.
We need to respect other people’s religion and stop being fucking religious supremacists.
So again, jews (like all religious people) can live wherever the fuck they like, including Palestine, respecting others people’s faiths.
People involved economically, ideologically and practically in the creation and continuation of the apartheid fascist project called israel, need to pay back with sweat and blood.
Before WWII, there were under 100k of them in Palestine, they were a small minority. That number is now millions in the same territory. Why do you think they shouldn’t have their own government and their own country?
Also Jewish doesn’t only mean someone of a particular religion, it’s also an ethnicity. Do you think nazis cared if you were practicing? Just having the big nose would’ve been enough.
I’m not saying Palestine shouldn’t exist, but I do think that the people who consider themselves Jews should have their own country too. Why shouldn’t it be in the land they were kicked out of originally? There’s plenty of space there.
The thing I do have a problem with is what’s going on in west bank and Gaza (and Lebanon). They have their Lebensraum, they don’t need more of it.
there were under 100k of them in Palestine, they were a small minority. That number is now millions in the same territory.
So what?
Why do you think they shouldn’t have their own government and their own country?
This is non-sense, if a different ethnicity is above a certain number in a country we should split it? Is this your point? Are you normal?
Jewish doesn’t only mean someone of a particular religion, it’s also an ethnicity
No it’s not, it’s a religion. Not a race, not an ethnicity. Stop repeating propaganda from fascists. Benjamin Milekowski (Netanyahu) is a Polish cunt fuck inbred who has nothing to do with the Middle East or Palestine.
I do think that the people who consider themselves Jews should have their own country too
Why the fuck should they? If I consider myself Zoroastrian I should also have my country? Again jews were living peacefully with “arabs” just 150 years ago.
You can not claim a territory because your people used to live there 2000 years ago. It does not work like that. If it was, the romans should colonize half of Europe and you should be okay with it.
You are helping and justifying the killing of thousands of civilians today because of events happened thousands of years ago. Can you imagine if everyone would do that?
You are repeating manufactured propaganda you don’t understand, for god knows what reason, helping a white suprematist theocratic colonial project killing thousands of civilians. Congrats.
Either don’t partecipate in the discussion or study better, ignorant israeli cuck.
Lmao there is a huge difference between “existing” and “actively deliberately genociding a people and culture they believe are inferior”
Then Palestine has a right to exist too.
And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.
That has been illegal already afaik, so what changed?
It was illegal to deny holocaust. Fuck Israhell
No, antisemitism (or really any kind of discriminatory sentiment) is / has been punishable by law already. Among other things, there is precedence that denying Israels right to exist can count as such. While German law is not based on precedence, it shows that it was de facto illegal to do so.
What is legal is to criticise Israel and call out their crimes against humanity, but the political bubble has somehow been convinced it’s not that bad and they are the good ones.
I don’t see Germany making laws about other state’s rights to exist. And also, states don’t have rights to exist.
Don’t be a dumb dumb protecting stupid laws.
Don’t be a dumb dumb and read stating a plain fact about law as defense of a new law that seems to be mostly symbolic. Or an expression of my take on states for that matter, because neither has happened here.
Then I apologize on both counts. I understood your matter of fact tone as normalizing the overzealous and biased enforcement of anti-hate laws.
I don’t read this as defending it, just explaining the German government’s view of antisemitism.
I’ll go further and note that this broad definition adopted by the government led to multiple instances of Jews being arrested for antisemitism for peacefully protesting the apartheid. I’m not defending the law at all, just lamenting that it’s sadly not new, as far as I can tell.
So I guess I also want to know if anything changed or if they just wanted to pat themselves on the back for formally codifying it.
That was my bad if they weren’t defending the law (see my comment to their response).
And yes, I’m aware of the irony that German Jewish people were arrested for their stance against the Palestinian genocide.
