• jonne@infosec.pub
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    9 months ago

    Ukraine actually did it, but there’s no chance they’d do that without the US giving the go-ahead.

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      9 months ago
      No, it was definitely straight up the US. Ignore any bullshit about yachts and Ukrainian divers.

      Here is the USS Kearsage - one of the only ships in the world with a moon pool that would allow divers to operate at the pipeline’s depth - leaving after “NATO exercises” in the area of the pipeline five days before it exploded

      Here is a USN Boeing P-8A Anti-Submarine plane - one of the only planes in the world that can generate a radio pulse capable of reaching to the depth of the pipeline - flying along the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before it exploded

      Here is President of the United States Joseph Robinette Biden, stating that the Nord Stream 2 project - which competes with US LNG sales to Europe - will not be allowed to continue; just out of frame is Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz, who offers no form of contradiction or rebuttal

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        9 months ago

        I mean, that US basically owns germany since WW2… has a basis with privileges like an embassy for near east espionage in g… has intelligence programs where g would like to be a closer partner…

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        9 months ago

        Not disputing you but very interested in reading more and sources - I always was very skeptical the volunteer Ukrainian saboteurs angle

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      9 months ago

      From what I have heard it is actually really hard to do, and only a few countries have the capabilities and equipment.

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        9 months ago

        The propaganda says the Russians did it (which is ridiculous, it’s their own pipeline, and they could just shut it down on their end if they wanted to). Either way, there’s no way the US didn’t at least consent to it, and yeah, most likely was more directly involved in it.

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          9 months ago

          Propaganda says both: first that Russia did it, then that Ukraine did it. The former is insulting stupid and the second is more subtle but still makes no logistical sense, as Ukraine lacks the specialized equipment and personnel required. The “Ukraine did it” narrative is one that’s still safer for the NATO bloc group that certainly did it, as even if they acknowledge it as true (which they don’t need to and have avoided doing), it’s easy to brush under the rug as Good Slava Ukraini Resistance.

          This is why these countries doing investigations are mum. They know neither narrative is true.

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            9 months ago

            Lack of any reaction from Germany after the Ukraine version was announced is very telling. You would think they would at least consider to stop gutting their own country to help a country that supposedly did such thing, but nothing happened at all.