Bold of you to assume that a Chinese company will care about licenses and patents. When they want to employ this Huawei will either purchase said license on the cheap or they will put up a giant middle finger and disrupt the market and patent holders.
the Zhaoxin ZX-F series are based on patents that AMD allowed them to use and a joint venture with VIA, who still holds an x86 licence. The Powerstar P3 is essentially a rebranded i3-10105.
companies in China alreay have a history of following up with getting the okay for CPU designs, id argue its bold of you to automatically assume the opposite given history disagrees with you directly in this market.
Huawei does indeed have a good track record and history regarding IP, but I would say there is a cultural expectation of cooperation with IP holders, and if that cooperation is perceived to be lacking then the IP rights are disregarded. The balance of power is not the same as it is with American/European countries. Which is what I mean when I say they will pick up the licensing rights on the cheap, or they will give a middle finger.
The western world is not exactly cooperating with Huawei(for better or worse), and it’s likely that they may “return fire” if given sufficient motivation.
and thats completely bassed on assumptions that they will do it, but with history’s sake, it currently says the opposite, and its kind of haphazard to junp to the extreme end immediately.
the main differemce is that for consumer use, you not only need the hardware, but the cooperation with all the software developers, many which are international to get performamt hardware.
Take for example with GPUs and Moore’s Threads. they can develop a gpu, and repurposing it for server use is doable, as you have he company buying it, programing the software to work with the hardware. but the moment you bring a hardware like that to the consumer space, despite its compute performamce, it fails to launch a lot of typical consumer applications and usecases because of two fronts, consumer software is developers around the world, and you need to support their region or have a large enough market using the hardware for them to even remotely consider optimizing for the hardware, and the drivers need to be well done. Both Moore’s Threads and Intel show that its not remotely easy to make consumer level drivers.
You’re right, I do have a very pessimistic outlook on this subject. I personally see this as an emerging battle of sorts between the technology sector of the West and China, but it may not be that dire. There may still be hope for cooperation and positive competition.
You’re also right about there being a large software development component that would be made less likely by a shaky future. Though I think that could be overcome by force and focus, and I have to admit, that is something I respect about the Chinese tech sector.
I am also pretty amazed in general with the progress that’s been made on these chips in such a short time, props to them for that.
Bold of you to assume that a Chinese company will care about licenses and patents. When they want to employ this Huawei will either purchase said license on the cheap or they will put up a giant middle finger and disrupt the market and patent holders.
they actually kinda do, and have a history of it…
the Zhaoxin ZX-F series are based on patents that AMD allowed them to use and a joint venture with VIA, who still holds an x86 licence. The Powerstar P3 is essentially a rebranded i3-10105.
companies in China alreay have a history of following up with getting the okay for CPU designs, id argue its bold of you to automatically assume the opposite given history disagrees with you directly in this market.
Huawei does indeed have a good track record and history regarding IP, but I would say there is a cultural expectation of cooperation with IP holders, and if that cooperation is perceived to be lacking then the IP rights are disregarded. The balance of power is not the same as it is with American/European countries. Which is what I mean when I say they will pick up the licensing rights on the cheap, or they will give a middle finger.
The western world is not exactly cooperating with Huawei(for better or worse), and it’s likely that they may “return fire” if given sufficient motivation.
and thats completely bassed on assumptions that they will do it, but with history’s sake, it currently says the opposite, and its kind of haphazard to junp to the extreme end immediately.
the main differemce is that for consumer use, you not only need the hardware, but the cooperation with all the software developers, many which are international to get performamt hardware.
Take for example with GPUs and Moore’s Threads. they can develop a gpu, and repurposing it for server use is doable, as you have he company buying it, programing the software to work with the hardware. but the moment you bring a hardware like that to the consumer space, despite its compute performamce, it fails to launch a lot of typical consumer applications and usecases because of two fronts, consumer software is developers around the world, and you need to support their region or have a large enough market using the hardware for them to even remotely consider optimizing for the hardware, and the drivers need to be well done. Both Moore’s Threads and Intel show that its not remotely easy to make consumer level drivers.
You’re right, I do have a very pessimistic outlook on this subject. I personally see this as an emerging battle of sorts between the technology sector of the West and China, but it may not be that dire. There may still be hope for cooperation and positive competition.
You’re also right about there being a large software development component that would be made less likely by a shaky future. Though I think that could be overcome by force and focus, and I have to admit, that is something I respect about the Chinese tech sector.
I am also pretty amazed in general with the progress that’s been made on these chips in such a short time, props to them for that.