I use GrapheneOS on Pixel.
Ahh cool, I’ve messed around with rooting, bootloaders, TWRP, and Lineage OS and all that stuff when I was younger, and I kept bricking my devices. I don’t do that anymore nowadays. Too much hassle.
All of that is 100x harder than installing Graphene. Graphene can be installed by almost anyone who can watch this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZlmYKrwfk
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Currently using a Google Pixel 5 that’s running CalyxOS.
Ditched Apple after they initially announced they were going to start screening messages and photos (although they later walked that back). I value privacy, and hence hate Google. But Google do make sole good hardware. CalyxOS allows me to have the best of both worlds… a privacy-centric OS, running on decent hardware that’s compatible with any Android app (although you still need to be a little careful what you install from a privacy perspective).
I am aware that more modern Pixel models have been released, but I’m waiting for one that’s a little less massive. Every model since the Pixel 5 has been larger than it.
Xiaomi Mi 10T with LineageOS 19 (there’s no v20 for it) I bought it because I needed a new one that supports 5G and didn’t cost a fortune.
Next one might be a Fairphone 5 whenever it comes out. Or a Pixel with GrapheneOS.
I’m also interested in a mobile that runs Linux instead of Android (see PinePhone). But there’re none that have good/current hardware.
I’d recommend getting that pixel. They have 5 years of support with security patches. Do know that the 5 years is with newer devices from 6/6a & up
iOS because Apple ecosystem is much more convenient and consistent. I do not worry so much about the struggle you mentioned because the EU will fix it (see USB-C, sideoading, more to come)
Same story as you, afraid of evil corporations, wanting to take more control over my data, so I changed to a pixel 7 pro with GraphenOS.
If you’re wondering how buying a phone from Google helps in this you can read the answer in here https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/2989-pixel-phone-vs-samsung-or-others
only Pixels that support alternate OS and allowing them full use/access to all the hardware security features.
iPhone 11. I agree on the dangers of corps turning evil, but I don’t agree that the solution is to move from ”might turn evil in the future” (Apple) to ”already pretty far in the evil camp” (Google). This is already becoming apparent with the enshittification of Google search. Chromium and Android will soon follow.
Fairphone 4 running /e/OS. I love the modularity, quality and robustness. Just the fact that if I drop my screen I can just replace it for €80 using my own hands.
/e/OS is still in development, which you sometimes notice, but I love its privacy focused aspects. It is decoupled from Google, includes a tracker monitor and blocker, an appstore that can download apps from the Google Play store anonymously and best of all the developers do deliver. All their releases are well tested.
The only thing I struggle with are in app purchases. If they use the Google Play platform they just won’t work.
I bought this phone from Murena, which is a branch of the /e/Foundation that sells devices with /e/OS preinstalled.
but I love its privacy focused aspects
Having worked at /e/OS, on the microG part, I can tell you that the privacy focus is way less than whatever you think it is. Also, the companies (yes, plural) behind /e/ or whatever it’s called now are French, and the French laws regarding government and intelligence agencies access to personal data are lax. By using /e/ and their services, you are not passing data to the US, you are not passing data to China, but rather you are passing data to France and the /e/ team - which if you search around, you might find out that they don’t have a really good street cred.
Too bad the Fairphone isn’t available outside of Europe.
Android because I like the freedom it provides.
As for the phone I’m using. It’s a Oneplus 3 I got a few years back, it’s falling apart but I can’t afford changing it, so I’ll be using it till its last breath.
I use Sailfish OS on the Sony Xperia 10 III.
I choose the OS because I wanted a phone OS which would get updates for a long time, which sailfish has a good track record of and I wanted one which ran linux so that I had the normal things I’m used to on the desktop like systemd, pulseaudio, bash, rpm, etc. I did need it to run android for a couple of banking apps and sailfish provide a pretty decent android support layer. It’s worked really well, the biggest drawback I’d say is that parts of it are not open source and they’re kind of doing their own stuff so while some things do work like KDE apps, other apps would take a lot more effort to get working (gtk apps for example).> Fairphone
Motorola One 5G Ace.
After years working in telecom, I’m in the camp of “absolutely no device needs to cost thousands of bucks.”
Midrange phones do just fine, and it’s borderline criminal marketing that the Apples and Samsungs of the world convince gullible consumers that their 260 dollars worth of parts and labour is somehow worth more than an average mortgage payment.
I kinda fear that Apple might turn evil and start banning apps from the app store
I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under, but I’ve been using iOS since day one and Apple has been banning apps left and right this entire time. Most just don’t make it on in the first place. Sometimes they sneak hidden features in though like so: https://www.imore.com/game-boy-emulator-sneaks-app-store-disguised-messaging-app
It more like I bought into the peer pressure of getting Apple devices so I started looking past their unethical practices. The apps they ban weren’t really the type of apps I’d use. What I’m concerned is that Apple one day just start banning ad-blockers, maybe ban VLC and cite piracy as a justification, banning encryption apps like signal, or banning VPNs (which they did in China, but I don’t live there so I kinda ignored it). They hadn’t done any of that yet so I just didn’t think too much about it, but now I kinda randomly started thinking about it and I switched to Android.
They have the operating system so locked down there aren’t any ad blockers anyways unless you use Safari
Brave on iOS works fine last I used, which was yesterday.
I was actually mistaken, and it’s worse than I realized. You can’t use ad guard in Safari anymore: https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-neutered-ad-blockers-in-safari-but-unlike-chrome-users-didnt-say-a-thing/
I just got Pixel 7. I always disliked those Android versions modified by the manufacturers with preinstalled bloatware and tons od weird features I just never intended to use. I envied more consistent and “seamless” experience Apple users got on their iPhones. However, I didn’t want to enter the Apple ecosystem for many reasons like price, moral issues, etc. The Android experience on Pixel is pretty much how I hoped it would be - much cleaner than other brands.
Yeah, I know Google is not great either but TBH I’m mostly stuck with them so instead of sharing my data and money with Samsung and Google, I can share it only with Google. Pixels have a big advantage of having the best support when it comes to custom ROMs so if I ever decide to cut ties with Google as well, I can do that relatively easily.
Apple has always been greedy, in my opinion, but seldom evil.
They are the only major corporation that still makes an effort for privacy (though many people are understandably very skeptical) e.g.
- fully end-to-end-encrypting most of your iCloud data,
- blocking tracking pixels in Mail (not technically correct, but good enough approximation)
- having iCloud Private Relay (something like Tor network) built into Safari
- blocking tracking of your behaviour by anonymising your device
- they even scramble data about your Maps trips, inserting wrong information before they send analytics back to themselves, through what is called differential privacy.
Other reasons I use iOS:
- They offer software updates for >6 years, so I really get great bang for my buck. Total cost of ownership is typically less than other flagship products.
- Integration with their other products.
- General polish, smoothness and ease of use.
I too rely on governments to rein in their greediness (e.g. Right to Repair, having multiple App Stores, etc.)
They offer software updates for >6 years
That was the reason why I migrated to iPhone last year.
I used Android for many years, but I got tired of vendors stopping system updates after 6 months or so of a model being out.
I keep my phone at least 4-5 years, even more if it doesn’t break, and with all the sensitive data and apps we keep on it nowadays (mobile banking, digital identities, authenticators, etc.) it’s not acceptable to stay years without security fixes.
It’s true that apple devices are expensive but it’s enough to not buy the latest models, get a bit older one and you can get it for the same price as a medium-high Android.
iPhone 8. I’ve had it for 5 years and haven’t had a reason to upgrade. Battery is starting to lose a bit of life so I’m thinking about a new battery rather than a new phone.
Same here, I have an IPhone 8. It’s pretty good, but the battery is somewhat dying too.
I have the iPhone 13 Mini and since Apple doesn’t make Mini’s anymore, I’ll just be replacing the battery, instead of buying another phone.
I hate how phones got big again. I think the SE is still normal sized.
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Um no? Depends on what you mean by “locked down”. For custom ROM? Probabaly. But for me, I just want to install apps without the approval of a corporation. If the appstore servers shut down or gets DDOSed for some reason, you’re out of luck.
If you are an EU resident you could just keep your iPhone and wait for the sideloading law to kick in, then you don’t have to worry about that anymore either.
I’m an American 😔.
Oh, in that case I guess Apple might region lock the feature, so switching is still a good call. Although in the grand scheme of things I think the legislation will still have a positive impact elsewhere and possibly motivate some US states to follow suit, like what California did after the GDPR.
Did apple shut down sideloading then? When I was testing on iOS, dev local installation was a pain but I would assume that’s still an option if you enable the dev features
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Looks like (thanks to the EU again) that iOS will support side loading apps shortly which should at least give options should an app be removed from the store. As for the reality …. I guess we just need to wait and see https://www.macrumors.com/2023/04/17/app-sideloading-support-coming-ios-17/
I don’t think they are any more “locked down” than the other vendors, usually they have a bunch more features on top of base android. I never used their store tho so idk if that’s what you’re refering to
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