• u_tamtam@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    The US worked for decades to get Ukraine to join NATO

    Why would Russia or anyone else care if someone joins NATO? Doesn’t it only start to matter if you ambition to invade a NATO country? You make it sound like Russia’s problem is that US makes it harder for them to invade foreign countries. Given Russia’s history, that seems absolutely reasonable.

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      1 year ago

      Why would anyone care? Are you serious? NATO is the world’s only transnational nuclear military and it’s completely unaccountable to any democratic institution and completely unaccountable to the world. It fucking dropped tons of depleted uranium on urban Yugoslavia for “humanitarian reasons”, dooming generations of children to be stillborn or born with fatal defects and doomed entire generations to virulent and uncurable cancers. It deploys first strike nuclear capabilities in every country it occupies.

      Look at it historically. The Third Reich started on the foundation of invading and subjugating Russia. It matched through Ukraine to get there. When the Third Reich fell, NATO was created by Russia’s enemies and it was founded explicit to counter the USSR and it was staffed with leaders from Third Reich. When the USSR fell, NATO maintained and revealed itself to be foundationally against Russia this whole time. And it’s been marching through Europe and is attempting to establish in Ukraine, except unlike the Third Reich, this time everyone is going along “willingly”, of course with help from the CIA and State Dept.

      It’s quite literally Russia’s existential threat.

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        1 year ago

        Why would anyone care? Are you serious?

        Yes, NATO is a defence treaty. It only matter if you plan on attacking. NATO won’t attack you (perhaps some NATO nations would, but not NATO as an organization).

        It fucking dropped tons of depleted uranium on urban Yugoslavia

        I need evidence to believe that.

        NATO was created by Russia’s enemies

        you mean, war-winning allies? The Treaty of Dunkirk was signed by France and the United Kingdom.

        revealed itself to be foundationally against Russia

        even if so, NATO’s power against Russia extends only as far as to prevent Russia from attacking/annexing sovereign nations who requested themselves to join the organization. Easy-enough for Russia to ignore, isn’t it? Unless Russia wants to invade sovereign nations, but that makes them the baddie, so this is a non-sequitur, right?