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    1 year ago

    Look back at the quote in that article. He’s not talking about wanting nuclear weapons. He’s talking about entering into NATO with its Article 5 protections because the Budapest Memorandum has failed.

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    I want to believe that the North Atlantic Treaty and Article 5 will be more effective than the Budapest Memorandum.

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    If they [Budapest Memorandum consultations] do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

    Putin and the Kremlin then twisted those words into nukes, when Zelensky explicitly only wants to replace the failed Budapest Memorandum protections with Article 5 protections. Despite all of Putin’s bluster, he knows damn well the US isn’t going to help Ukraine obtain nukes. The US, the Soviet Union, and other nuclear powers have gone to considerable lengths to avoid nuclear proliferation.

    Refuting a poor translation is not “copium”. The original Ukrainian did not have the English connotations of nuclear weapons, but was more along the lines of general preemptive actions.

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        1 year ago

        You think Vladimir Putin himself is involved in creating propaganda?

        When Putin gives a speech that spreads misinformation about what Zelensky says then yes, he’s very much part of spreading propaganda and misinformation.

        The Kremlin is a tourist museum.

        You do realize I’m not speaking literally? I’m using the common metonymy for the Russian Government, just like The Pentagon for the US armed forces, The White House for the US presidency, #10 Downing Street for the UK Prime Minister, Beijing for China’s government, and so on. But more literally, the Grand Kremlin Palace is the residence of the Russian president.

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            What Zelensky said in Ukrainian about preemptive strikes was real. How an English speaker is hearing the translation is not.

            > I realise you’re mindlessly repeating cheesy propaganda tropes.

            Do you actually know what you’re talking about, or are you just insulting me on principle? There are various kremlins, most of which are museums but one of which is the working office of the president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Kremlin_Palace

            > Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes. Now you know this for a fact.

            Please, do tell how Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes during a speech that mentions a desire for NATO membership (which Ukraine has not been shy about) but never expresses a desire for nuclear weapons.