The Biden administration is asking Congress to provide more than $13 billion in emergency defense aid to Ukraine and an additional $8 billion for humanitarian support through the end of the year.
Ukraine banned the largest opposition party in the legislature. How does that make it a free and democratic country? The truth is it’s no more free and no more democratic than Russia.
Out of the numerous countries that the USA has invaded, couped, meddled in or intervened in, which ones have become free and democratic enough to your liking?
It’s true. Whether you agree with the actions of the US abroad or not, the US did legitimately try to install a free and fair democratic government in Afghanistan. And it was in place for 20 years - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_Afghanistan.
Prior to the 2021 overthrow of the government by the Taliban, Afghanistan had been consistently ranked as a below-average democracy by U.S.-based non-governmental organization Freedom House. According to their yearly survey Freedom in the World, Afghanistan scored only 27 points in 2019 to 2021 on a 100-point scale, falling in the category of “not free countries.”
In 2010, a report published by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime indicated that bribery consumed approximately 23% of the GDP of Afghanistan.[8] This corruption was present in the highest levels of government, with the New Kabul Bank scandal in which a small number of political elites, including cabinet ministers, had embezzled nearly $1 billion through fraudulent loan schemes.[9][10]
While the first presidential election of the republic in 2004 was relatively peaceful, the following 2009 presidential election was hampered by significant flaws, including a lack of security, low voter turnout, and widespread electoral fraud.[11]
All this is after being chartiable and not including the 20% voter turnout in 2021 since that was the tail end of that epoch.
But I bet you’ll blame all these shortcomings on the Afghans.
Oof, that’ll teach me to briefly skim a source before posting. I wasn’t going to blame anyone, because I clearly don’t know enough about the situation. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
cite yah sources and I’ll read into it. I view it as providing aid to a foreign population being invaded by a direct adversary of the people of the United States. The Ukrainian people need saving from Putin’s senseless and ultimately fruitless invasion of their homes. Russians should be embarrassed for how much pain they’ve inflicted, as well as how little they’ve accomplished in this pointless errand to fulfill Putin’s selfish dying wish.
“imperialism is when America does things, and the more American it is the more imperialismer it is”
Other countries can be imperialist too. Like Russia, when it invades its neighbours to annex their territory. Stop defending imperialism. A thing does not automatically become anti-imperialist if the USA doesn’t like it.
I’m not embarrassed I had to look it up, but I’m glad I did!
Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is “A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong”.
That’s what you think is going on? The US asked putin to invade? Oh yea it was literally the opposite, with Biden begging Putin not to invade for weeks before he decided to do it anyway, yet here you are blaming the US for the suffering russia is inflicting on millions of innocent people
it’s progressive to wage war right?
Russia is waging war. The US wants to support a free democratic country that borders NATO over a fascist invading country that’s an adversary of NATO.
Why would US also support Turkey, Egypt, Israel or other dictatorship around the world?
Those are all democracies/republics, at least on paper.
Ukraine banned the largest opposition party in the legislature. How does that make it a free and democratic country? The truth is it’s no more free and no more democratic than Russia.
Out of the numerous countries that the USA has invaded, couped, meddled in or intervened in, which ones have become free and democratic enough to your liking?
The terrible actions of the US don’t justify russia’s genocide
Germany
I was hoping more of a post WW2 example
Afghanistan was democratic during US occupation. Unfortunately, that was overthrown by the taliban when the US pulled out.
Jesus Christ
It’s true. Whether you agree with the actions of the US abroad or not, the US did legitimately try to install a free and fair democratic government in Afghanistan. And it was in place for 20 years - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_Afghanistan.
Your own source contradicts your claims:
All this is after being chartiable and not including the 20% voter turnout in 2021 since that was the tail end of that epoch.
But I bet you’ll blame all these shortcomings on the Afghans.
Oof, that’ll teach me to briefly skim a source before posting. I wasn’t going to blame anyone, because I clearly don’t know enough about the situation. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
Man, this was a great comment until the last sentence. . .
Yeah I made the mistake of assuming they read the article before sharing it
So Ukraine should become permanently occupied by America?
You do know there are other options then occupied by russia or america right?
Saganastic seems to disagree.
Lol. Where in the US state dept do you work? Imperialist balogne.
It’s bologna, yah rusky
I care. You’re McCarthyist bullshit is wearing thin. Most of the US population don’t want the US proxy war. Keep trying.
Keep the propaganda coming, troll. Your comments are shallow and not representative of reality.
The reality that the major media corporations and military industrial complex want to to be represented? Correct, they don’t represent that.
cite yah sources and I’ll read into it. I view it as providing aid to a foreign population being invaded by a direct adversary of the people of the United States. The Ukrainian people need saving from Putin’s senseless and ultimately fruitless invasion of their homes. Russians should be embarrassed for how much pain they’ve inflicted, as well as how little they’ve accomplished in this pointless errand to fulfill Putin’s selfish dying wish.
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Why don’t you have a vote on it then?
That’s not how representative democracies work. There’s no way for a commoner to vote on it.
Fair point, a referendum then. (also please fix your democracy America, its getting weird)
“imperialism is when America does things, and the more American it is the more imperialismer it is”
Other countries can be imperialist too. Like Russia, when it invades its neighbours to annex their territory. Stop defending imperialism. A thing does not automatically become anti-imperialist if the USA doesn’t like it.
Ad hominem fallacy
I’m not embarrassed I had to look it up, but I’m glad I did!
Putin wouldn’t be the first guy I’d call “progressive,” if that’s what you’re getting at
the warmongers cheering on the military industrial complex while calling themselves progressives
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It’s honorable to help a sovereign nation protect itself against a power-hungry dictator
I agree, which is why it’s so important to back the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics against the undemocratic power-hungry dictator Zelensky.
Yes it’s honorable to wage a proxy war and use the lives of people thousands of miles away to further your own hegemony across the globe.
That’s what you think is going on? The US asked putin to invade? Oh yea it was literally the opposite, with Biden begging Putin not to invade for weeks before he decided to do it anyway, yet here you are blaming the US for the suffering russia is inflicting on millions of innocent people
Spoken like someone who has not been paying attention to what has gone on in the region since 2014.
Spoken like someone who has not been paying attention to what has gone on in the US since 2016.
There’s no proxy war. You’re dehumanizing Ukrainians by denying their agency
Dude we were denying their agency in 2014 when we were helping install their new pro-EU government
No, stating that a popular revolt against a corrupt leader is the result of our actions is denying their agency
I never claimed the revolt itself was a result of their actions, I claimed that we were actively involved in installing their new government, which we were.
You’re either just gas lighting or just uneducated but it doesn’t matter. You’re full of balogne.
It’s bologna, yah tankie
Think one of those tanks ran over his brain, because there’s clearly no functional gray matter in that skull of his.
That’s sounds suspiciously like the bologna of the bourgeoisie.
Incorrect on all counts!
It certainly can be.
No it’s not. Well, unless it’s an anti-fascist war. But as much as Biden loves to say he’s just like FDR, this war is no WW2.