cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1476531
Archived version: https://archive.ph/r4ZKz
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230815100118/https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/08/14/muslim-women-harassed-at-northern-italian-beach-for-wearing-modest-clothing
Great marketing argument to sell freedom suppressing items. What’s next? Winter is cold and burkas are great at keeping you warm?
Are scarfs “freedom suppressing items” too? Beanies? A burkini is literally just a wet suit with an overskirt & hijab (although most diving suits also have head coverings). Comparing that to a burka is bonkers and you know it. The idea of something suppressing freedom that is worn out of their own free notion is completely ridiculous. Telling others what to wear is exactly the problem here, and that goes in both directions.
No religion is demanding that women specifically wear scarfs or beanies. Denying that this mandate (burkinis and other items) is a religious one, wose ultimate purpose is to separate women from men is at least a denial, at most a support for totalitarian propaganda
What do you think a hijab is? The whole point of it is to be covered, not to be pedantic about it, like you are right now. The difference is whether someone dictates you to cover up, or whether you cover up on your own free will. And guess which one is freedom of choice?
A hidjab serves the same purpose as the burkini, to artificially differentiate women from men and create a segregated society where women have fewer rights. Individual choice or not, the end result is the same.
You didn’t answer my question.
I’ve seen freedom of choice when a social group pushes their norm on everyone. Either you carve or you leave. This is a very powerful tool to impose norms on people, women particularly. What freedom of choice do you have when you are a 15 yo girl with parents, brothers, cousins, etc who tell you that you have to wear “modest” clothing (fuck that phrase by the way, are men modest with their shorts and t-shirts?)? Either you carve or you break with your social group.
You still have not answered my question.
It’s not neoprene, it’s made of the same stuff swimsuits are made of. It just keeps the sun off more parts of you.
I was obviously referring to its visual properties?
Oh okay sorry. I am thinking about getting a burkini or rash shirt/shorts now that the hole in the ozone is getting worse again, so I’m kind of focused on its practical properties.
I would be careful with that, because the ozone layer filters UV light, which can penetrate regular textiles.
Thanks for the thought but burkinis are Australian, so they are made from SPF 50+ fabric.
I’m a New Zealander, so I will also be wearing SPF75+ on my skin and something even higher on my face and ears, as usual.
New Zealand and Australia have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world, so this goes with the territory.
I’m sorry but it’s silly to suggest that someone who chooses to buy an item of clothing is magically having their freedom suppressed by it. That’s not how any of this works.
If we get a hot summer this year I will most likely wear a rash shirt or burkini. New Zealand and Australia have the highest skin cancer rates in the world, because we live next to the hole in the ozone.
The hole opened early this year, it will be bigger than usual.
Yeah, and how many lmen wear burkibis on those beaches?
The burkini was invented in Australia to help people integrate into Australian culture. Interesting article here.
The male equivalent is the rash shirt and pants. All these things are becoming more common for people to wear because of melanoma.
If I choose to cover up for whatever reason, that’s my choice and it isn’t anyone else’s business.
I don’t even know where you’re going with this.
Lmao. How is it freedom suppressing if they choose to wear it? Look, in my opinion all religions are made up nonsense anyway (especially Christianity) but people are allowed to believe what they want and as long as they’re not harming others then what the fuck does it matter? You make it sound they’re trying to force nonmuslims to wear their outfits, which they are not. Meanwhile, at least in the US, God is thrown in our faces every which way. It’s in our fucking pledge of allegiance. I’d say that’s much more freedom suppressing than some women wearing burkinis at a beach. Plus most muslims I’ve met are wonderfully open and lovely people compared to nasty bigots in Christianity.
I am not going to argue which religious group is better than the others. In my view, they all support fairy tales and want others to respect or even support these tales.
As these things were invented and trademarked in Australia and nearly half of them are bought by non-muslims for exact that reason, it is indeed great marketing.
And you are just spouting none-sense…
How many men are wearing them?
How many men are wearing bikinis?
You know very well that the equivalent of bikinis are speedos, your comment is not made in good faith.
I mean if someone wears a burka for that reason who are you to tell them no?
Of course, then why don’ men wear them, if burkas are not a tool to separate people based on their genders and establish a segregated society where people of different gendes have diferents rights?
Why don’ men wear skirts or dresses?
If you are arguing that anyone should be able to wear whatever they want, regardless of gender or religion, I agree with you. But I know that’s not what you’re saying.
I am all for men wearing skirts and dresses. No law is forbidding them to do so, at least in Europe.