Germany’s spy agency BfV has labeled the entirety of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party as an extremist entity.
The BfV domestic intelligence agency, which is in charge of safeguarding Germany’s constitutional order, said the announcement comes after an “intense and comprehensive” examination.
“The ethnicity-and ancestry-based conception of the people that predominates within the party is not compatible with the free democratic order,” the BfV said on Friday.
Hopefully this inspires the other parties to to start the process to see the AfD banned. I know the report might not look like much, because of how obvious the findings are. But previous attempts at banning them have failed because such an official report was missing. So maybe our political system starts getting its shit together.
As we say in Germany: Hope dies last
Pretty much the entirety of the German political mainstream is right now “unwaveringly supporting” a fascist regime commiting an extreme Genocide in Gaza, and that support has been very openly because of the ethnicity the murderers claim to represent, or in other words, due to “ethnicity-and ancestry-based conceptions”.
Normalize race as an excuse to support no matter what those commiting the most atrocious of actions and all that it takes is to add “if it applies to them, then surely it applies to us” to that normalized racism to get something like the ideology of the AfD.
German politicians have long been plowing and fertilizing the field from which the AfD sprouted with great vigour.
This right now is just hypocrisy: the AfD is but the tip of the iceberg which is the view in Germany that the way people are treated should depend on their race and even the most horrible of deeds are excusable if one’s race is the right one.
I am so sick and tired of people using the Gaza genocide as an excuse for political action or inaction in their own countries without any evidence that their preferred option changes anything about the Gaza genocide. Isn’t it enough that you people got Trump elected in the US by implying that somehow Kamala Harris would do less against it than the literal admirer of dictators?
Agree. Also, Gaza has been an issue for decades and theres other genocides currently happening, i genuinely dont understand the laser focus on Gaza when our own Latino and Native American populations are being genocided by our own actual government. These people freak out over housing and food in Gaza while ignoring the homelessness and starvation crisis here. They donate to (likely completely fake, set up by Israel or other countries) Gaza while walking past homeless people here with absolutely no shame. They wear merch and bracelets and scarves to show support of Gaza and moral superiority, while they ignore the homeless here at a broad level. Homelessness is genocide of the poor and disabled.
Yes, Gaza is an issue and has been for decades. Any genocide or intentional faminine is absolutely wrong. It’s been wrong for a while. I remember talking about Israel with Jewish friends in 2009 and it was considered a pretty obscure geopolitical topic for the US then (most average citizens didnt know or have an opinion).
But right now it’s literally a psyop to trick young and gullible people into being against Kamala so Trump would be elected. Trump is friends with Netanyahu and was his preferred candidate. Like Iran Contra, Netanyahu deliberately sabotaged the hostage deals and ceasefires to elect Trump, and the Gaza saviors (many fake bots from India, Iran, and Russia*) ate the bait. Now that he doesnt need them, they are being rounded up, unless they espouse anti-Jewish, pro-Nazi rhetoric - he needs Nazis so Russia can have an excuse to invade Alaska/the US. The Nazi excuse is the same reason Russia invaded Ukraine. They are trying to justify WW3 with same excuses as WW2, and they need public sentiment to be on their side so they have to set up a narrative.
BRICS is trying to usurp western power and start their own currency that will be gold back, precious metals backed, and oil backed, and perhaps human backed (eg organs, hair, slaves, started w Uyghers).
Russia figured out Gaza is enough to divide the left with infighting, that’s partly why they encouraged the hamas attack in the first place to take attention away from Ukraine.
And we fell for it like morons.
It’s probably more that each BRICS nation was originally promised something big in this plan, usually related to gold which is mainly what BRICS currency will be backed with along with oil and other precious metals.
Russia wants all land the Arctic ocean touches, plus access to other seas/ports, plus precious metals and oils in those lands (Canada produces a LOT of gold).
India (joined later) wants the gold in the Indus river between it and Pakistan.
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pakistan-hits-gold-mine-rs-80-000-crore-reserves-found-in-indus-river-bed-as-nation-eyes-major-milestone-11741014559732.html
-Iran likely WANTS some kind of war in the middle east for dominance. They have to make the Israelis look like Nazis if they want to take that area over. They have to have justification for it or the world will be upset and start sanctioning etc. Plus, Abraham accords, UAE, Saudi Arabia, are all financially threatening to not just Iran, but the world, due to their wealth and how they accumulate it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/13/iran-bets-big-on-gold-as-it-weathers-trump-turmoil
https://thepaypers.com/cryptocurrencies/russia-and-iran-want-to-launch-a-gold-backed-stablecoin--1259892
https://www.tronweekly.com/gold-backed-stablecoins-could-rival-usd-tokens/
Gaza is what the Russians decided would pacify the left with infighting.
It’s been a miracle, it won them the US in 2024 and is ranking up more wins left and right.
We’ll have camps and ovens for homosexuals and brown people throughout the west, while leftist children still scream ‘but I can’t do anything because it might support the democrats!’
Dark Helmet was right, evil will always win, because good is stupid.
First, this really jumped out from your post:
Perfect illustration of somebody who mentally reduces other human beings from persons into groups.
The curious thing is that somebody who thinks like that about human beings is pushing a “nothing we can do about it with certainty, let’s not talk about the Gaza Genocide”…
Second: how exactly does the political system in the US make this behaviour of the German authorities and political class any less hypocrite? In fact, how does it at all relate given that Germany has a mixed system including a Proportional Vote component, so totally different from the US?
Third: What’s exactly is your point? Because that exact argument structure can justify closing your eyes and make believe it ain’t happening for everything bad :
Best just give up on politics altogether to stop evil-doing! How convenient for the evil-doers.
Yes, I consider all the people who argue “the Gaza genocide should be the most important political issue of our time in every country of the world” one group, namely the group of people who bring it up in every political discussion everywhere.
The curious thing is that somebody who complains about the genocide why the extremist right wing party in Israel keeps derailing discussions on how to prevent extremist right wing parties from gaining power in other countries too.
The common theme between Germany and the US is both countries are in various stages of a struggle of right wing extremists gaining power while at the same time the political discussion on how to stop that is sabotaged by people bringing up the Gaza genocide as if any of the options would change anything about the Gaza genocide in the slightest. Will the Gaza genocide be any more or less likely if we do or do not ban the AfD in Germany? No, it won’t, so shut up about it in the context of this discussion and stop trying to derail it.
Can’t do that, then you would have succeeded in your goal of allowing them to come into power.
Please point out exactly were I said that “Gaza genocide should be the most important political issue of our time in every country of the world”
Beyond that:
Your point relies on the notion that repeated and overt statements in favour of Racial Descrimination (which is exactly what people like Schulz do when they say that “Germany unwaveringly supports the Jewish Nation” to justify sending weapons to Israel to carry on executing their Genocide) somehow don’t embolden Racists to think that “Racism is ok” and hence that those criticizing the former somehow, magically, are derrailing the fight against the latter.
First, deal with the fascists at home. Then deal with alliances with fascists abroad.
Did you read the comment? They are saying (and i agree) that the fascists at home only exist because we didnt treat the fascists abroad with the scrutiny that they deserve. When our political partners (Israel, US, Australia, etc) constantly commit warcrimes and go unpunished, then domestic sentiment will align with that.
Those eagerly cultivating at home a Fascist way of thinking (from the Racism of “unwaveringly support for the self-proclaimed representatives of a race whilst they mass murder children” to the Authoritarianism and total contempt for the Rule Of Law of “expelling foreigners without Trial for attending demonstrations”), will never get rid of the Fascists because it is they themselves who are feeding Fascism.
Either the German authorities and politicians are dumb as doorknobs and they’re unable to understand that endorsing Fascist Thinking creates Fascists, or all their “dealing with the fascists at home” is either performative or just infighting between the different pro-Fascism powers in Germany to decide who ends up at the top of the Fascist hierarchy.
You’re conflating political ideologies of radical groups with a false narrative that the entirety of Germany is inherently racist, and therefore irredeemable. I don’t disagree with your points regarding genocide in Gaza, but you’re also racist AF.
From my own post
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Please point out exactly were I am making statements about “Germans” in general
If when you read such a post what you see is criticism of those never mentioned in it - “Germans” - rather than criticism of those repeatedly mention there - “German politicians” - then the Racist As Fuck part is coming from your side.
You may have intended this as not targetting Germany as a whole, but saying “the view in Germany” is to be first interpreted as “the view all of Germany holds”.
That view is literally “in Germany” and is certainly widespread (if you count both people who support the AfD and people who support the mainstream’s party take on Israel), because it’s literally “in Germany” that politicians and a segment of the press have been spreading as “normal” to support or not of people based on their race.
It’s kinda the whole point of my post that if you spread and normalize Racist takes on other people you’re cultivating Racism and hence get lots of Racists, and that’s exactly what’s happening in Germany (and the US, and Israel, to name just a few other supposed Democracies were this shit should not be happening).
Now, if you think the political and press environment in Germany spreading Racist views on human beings I something that reflects poorly on Germans, that’s all you.
I agree with you that the the sentence “the view in Germany” could be interpreted as “one view in Germany” (the one you were talking about before in this case). But calling it “the” instead of “this” gives it a very universal tone that may lead a lot of people (including me at first read) to intepret this as “the one and only view in Germany”.
Ofc fascising medias and politics have an influence on people in Germany (and thz opposite is also true, its a vicious cycle), and ofc there are a lot of different opinions, some fascists, some antifascists, in a country with tens of millions of people, i think we both agree on that.
I think people, including me, reacted relatively vigorously to the wording of your post (and not its meaning) because a confusion between Nazis and Germans have been observed a lot after WWII, and it’s something we (at least I) try to fight.
If I passed that impression, I’m sorry.
I’m well aware that plenty of people in Germany are fighting Far-Right extremist in all its forms, both at home and abroad and I definitely don’t think of Germans as “all the same” (if I did I would be a massive hypocrite) - as with everybody else Germans come in all sorts, good, bad and everything in between: so is human nature.
What I see is a political and press environment in Germany (and, as I said, I see similar things in other countries) spreading a way of thinking about other people which is the same that the far-right has, hence in my view it’s indirectly boosting the far-right in that country partly by confirming to people who already thought like that, that it’s fine to think so, and partly by teaching others to think like that.
This is not a German thing: the same kind of environment anywhere else would have the same result.
It’s a pickle. The unwavering support is for Israel and its existence, not for the fascist regime or the genocide. Germany sent multiple sternly worded letters regarding the latter.
If the support was for Jewish safety or the safety of Israel as a state they would work for it to return into its 1967 borders and start making ammends to all the people they wronged. Germany could support this even by raising a special tax to help Israel finance the compensation of its victims as Germany is also responsible for the formation of Israel.
They wont do any of this. They dont care for Jewish safety. Jews that are dissenting the German state ideology get repressed in Germany. They care for claiming that supporting Israel absolves them from all responsibility and to shift the blame for antisemitism in Germany and the world onto Arabs.
That’s pretty much the German position: The annexations and settlements outside of 1967 Israel are illegal.
It’s more complicated than that because those people aren’t dissenting from the German position, see the link above. They’re just being way more blunt about it. More correct would be “Jews who are dissenting from whatever the Jüdische Allgemeine writes”, i.e. Zionist apologia. I think the technical term for the political situation is “clusterfuck”.