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There goes the largest no stupid questions community. Bah. They’ll be back in a day or two, I know, but bah.

I think this is the perfect opportunity to plug to everyone the concept of password managers and other basic web security concepts.

Same thing for every single-game community. Dota’s deserted. Also things like patientgamers is lowering in activity.

Big upvote. I figured out how to follow other communities from clicking the community tab at the top and looking at the URL. But it shouldn’t be this hard. It should be way more seamless.

There’s two things I wish this had:

• (This is your suggestion) Lemmy websites and apps should automatically attempt to show external communities within their own website if possible, so that sharing a community from this one will still allow you to join up without further navigating

• When seeing a “subscribe” button on another website, instead of it assuming you want to subscribe from the site itself and telling you to log in, it should first check if you’re not logged in, and if you’re not, ask if you want to subscribe to it from another instance if it finds any browser cookies for other Lemmy communities.

This is what I want. A way for users to create their own “lists” similar to multireddits, which come up on their feeds as part of a super-community, and then they can share that list with other users.

No hassle for the moderators. No change to the system outside of the feature’s own self-contained stuff.

I don’t mind a community having low amount of content. It’s easy to just join multiple and hop around. I don’t mind a UI not entirely matching my preference, that stuff is “matter of time”.

But Mastodon made it VERY hard to find the little content their communities did have. They have an anti-Trending philosophy, and that drove me, and most people I know, away. When I joined, they didn’t even have proper tag searching, and to this day, the activity in a tag is still reported wrongly. When asked, I got aggressively told off that Text Search is evil and I’m evil for asking and no, I didn’t even talk about twitter but I’m evil for even daring to make requests even lightly resembling a Twitter user’s UX preferences (Aka: Discoverability and UX). I just wanted to hear a “oh that’s broken and being worked on” but no, it was always a “no, we don’t like that” instead.

No such thing here. I wanted to find the gaming subs, I found the gaming subs. I wanted to find a desolate abandoned community for Dota 2, bam, I found the desolate abandoned community for dota 2. Within 2 minutes I was on grounds with /c/PatientGamers.

It got slightly better. But won’t ever fully fix itself. To me, and to a couple colleagues, Mastodon was a bad website, with bad gatekeepers and a bad advert for the Fediverse. I don’t care about it and I hope Rhynodon some day comes, implements text search and steals all their users.

Beehaw has a concerning financial post at the top of their frontpage that may indicate they might struggle too when the massive wave of Reddit exodus occurs.

I guess I have to figure out what instances to suggest to people. I do find that direct instance suggestions is the way to go, so I guess I gotta write up a list.

Ideally, some pre-existing communities on Reddit would create their own instances similar to how often they have their own Discords, and have large amounts of users migrate that way. But there’s a huge, wide, amount of technical difference between those two things. You can’t exactly easily find capable Lemmy admins.

I do understand and agree with the rest of the post. By all means, downvotes do have value with dealing with immature or agenda’d posters if that is problematic to a community.

But I did state why it can be fine and how there’s a reason why upvotes require no reasoning while downvotes do - they have an immediate, positive effect on the usability of the site (everyone sees top posts), while downvotes have a less immediate one (only a subset scrolls to see bottom posts). Upvotes are just inherently more valuable to the community on the whole and shouldn’t be put to equal questioning. Downvotes are more useful to contain undesirables.

On this note, there’s somewhat of a tangential discussion to all of this, which is “should posts that go below a threshold (like -10 points) be hidden from users by default?”. I personally would opt to keep posts visible to myself, because I want to know what was said that earned the shunning. But I can’t think of a reason why a system that has downvotes shouldn’t do that filtering, after all, it basically empowers downvotes to do their job better, and stops trolls from latching to top posts.

I can get behind this, because upvotes/downvote serve a purpose of telling the website “more people should see this”. But we don’t need to know what needs to be seen less. Upvotes will, on their own, already tell us what’s the top content and sort things out things. Late, Average and Middling posts aren’t really going to be seen by most people and are fine with a lesser rating accuracy.

But what about de-constructive comments? What if something TRULY deserves to be seen less? Well, here’s a stance I don’t particularly believe everyone would get behind but has some merit: People should post their reasoning why their post was not very good as a response. As that not just generates discussion points, but also informs other onlookers of their rationale. And if a response gathers upvotes (ratio’d), then that signals a better message than a simple downvote ever would. Yeah, that means the only response to a troll is actually responding, and that may make a community appear less welcoming, but overall I don’t know if that’s a big issue in practice.

Funny enough just had it again between seeing this and trying to press See Context. It immediately fixed itself tho.

Yes, thanks, I am aware you can check out an external community from a local view. I’m just kind of venting that you can’t do it from the other way around from a user experience standpoint (See community linked on the internet -> check out the content on-page -> tell that page you’d like to hear more from it on your home instance), even though I’m aware it would probably be very hard or annoying to pull off as your browser would have to be somehow aware of your logged-on instances in a way other instances are also built to support.

I kind of wish communities had a “subscribe to remote community” button, but I understand that browsers would probably have to do some light tracking with cookies to make that possible.

Yes, but that’s the thing, that’s a culture, philosophy and safeguard concern. We want the ecosystem to be distributed because of many reasons we can go copy paste off of a fediverse explanation page or video.

But in these times, when people are looking for social media replacements, they do not share those concerns. Not initially at least. I see it like a hierarchy of needs but for social media consumption. We risk tiring people out at the understanding and culture step when all they’re looking for in that moment is for ease of access to content and discussion. We can have our cake and eat it too by showing them that, yes, this platform can fit their needs, and also hint that it has these interoperability, customization, privacy and so on advantages that they can easily find about.

Look, I’m just saying, Mastodon has a bad rep. I met plenty of supposedly smart people who treat the whole Twitter migration thing as “those dumb evangelists with their stupid platform that doesn’t even have a functional tag search ahah”. People who had no trouble going back to other, older platforms. I’m not letting that happen again, at least not from my hand. I’m going to sell from the bottom of their pyramid.

I do. Many times, it can be from a failure in UX or bad choice of on-boarding steps by the referrer, and not from their incapability of learning and building. Those people aren’t less valuable just because they didn’t overcome a circumstantial hurdle.

Personally, I’m taking steps to lower that hurdle. I refuse to link anyone to the Join Lemmy page. That’s a bad on-boarding practice, and we had Mastodon to prove it, because it drove away even plenty of valuable techies. I’m linking everyone directly to Lemmy.ml and Beehaw, which can be explored without committing, and telling them to consider explore the fediverse “later” if they like the way these vanilla instances work. Let’s first show that the content and feature set is perfectly capable and there’s nothing to dislike.

My thoughts:

404: FetchError: request to http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site

I think the server may be struggling a bit under everyone checking it out.