• url@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    2 天前

    Good. Separately, I really wish we had a way to search for useful answers on Lemmy. I feel like much of the reddit was exposed through: “question/key words” site: reddit.com googling

    • Tuukka R@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      4·
      2 天前

      I mean, you can do pretty much that by using one of the largest instances. That is most likely to have content from the largest amount of other instances.

      • url@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 天前

        I get what you’re saying it’s just not as practical. Many won’t look for the largest/most relevant instance for their questions.

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
        27·
        3 天前

        To an extent they are. Part of the appeal of Reddit was that you could find good answers there. But yeah, the idea that “long term their reputation may suffer” is hardly affecting them in any demonstrable way now.

      • Ledivin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        2 天前

        100% unaffected? It makes their data worth a lot less for AI training. Even if they keep comment history, these are edits - how do you determine which edit to use? Using all of them poisons the data, and picking one risks doing the same.

        On top of that, reddit has quickly become a non-source for opinions… I used to append “reddit” to any search where I wanted candid feedback, but absolutely would never do that these days. That’s less traffic, which is less ad money, which comprises the vast majority of their revenue. Reputation is virtually the only thing that matters for search, and Reddit’s reputation has been sliding for years.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          9·
          2 天前

          People paying reddit aren’t training their models by scraping the web ui.

          The original comments are still in the database, which is what you’d pipe into an LLM.

        • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zipEnglish
          23·
          2 天前

          That’s less traffic, which is less ad money, which comprises the vast majority of their revenue.

          and how many people do the same thing you do? they don’t really care about 1% of dedicated users…

          • Ledivin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            2 天前

            …you’re joking, right? There is not a company in the world that is happy to ignore 1/100th of their revenue disappearing.

            Is it going to kill reddit? Of course not. Are they “100% unaffected?” Of course not.

            • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zipEnglish
              11·
              7 小时前

              There is not a company in the world that is happy to ignore 1/100th of their revenue disappearing

              except we are talking about USERS disappearing, not revenue. it is likely that revenue actually increased, because x+n (where n > 0) people paying more than zero generating more than zero is bigger number than x generating zero.

              • Ledivin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                3 小时前

                Reddit’s primary source of revenue is ads, that is a simple fact. What metrics do you think matter when it comes to ad revenue?

          • dil@lemmy.zipEnglish
            32·
            2 天前

            the more technical helpful users are likely to do it, you think the vast majority of users give helpful comments?

            • 14th_cylon@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              7 小时前

              you are forgetting that reddit is not just coders and sysadmins.

              people writing comments about - i don’t know - sneakers, might not care about the reddit drama at all. and all comments are helpful as AI training material - don’t succumb to the biased idea that only what interests you is important or “helpful”

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      2 天前

      Good for whom?

      There’s been loads of times where I’ve looked everywhere for a solution, finally finding it on google page 10+ in an obscure reddit thread with like 10 votes and 4 comments where someone had found a weird, illogical solution to your exact problem, that actually worked.

      It’s a shame it went to shit. The real losers are us, we lost a lot of knowledge.

      • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        51·
        2 天前

        That doesn’t mean I think they should get to keep that stuff. Sure, we lost a lot of knowledge there, and that sucks. But the company lost out and pushed their IPO way back for it and I enjoy seeing Spez suffer after what he did to Aaron’s legacy.

        • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          2 天前

          If that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel. But I personally doubt Reddit as a company have lost out. They still have all the data. And they still have a massive user-base. I’m sure Spez is suffering real bad with his hundreds of millions…

          • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            41·
            2 天前

            I feel like they lost prestige more broadly but I’m obviously bias being here on Lemmy. We see I guess, I predict them tanking after their IPO.

  • nightlily@leminal.spaceEnglish
    271·
    2 天前

    They just added comment history hiding as well, so now you can’t even tell if some people are engaging in good faith anymore.

    • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      18·
      2 天前

      So I get banned for reporting trolls because it’s an “Abuse of the Report Button” AND they make it easier to Troll? Do they just want people not using the site?

      • Quokka@mastodon.au
        11·
        2 天前

        @QueenHawlSera @nightlily pretty sure that you just have to consider reddit as having been very much broken for a number of years now.
        They erroneously ban good users and encourage the trolls.
        The only way the experience is bearable is just to block idiots yourself and not engage.

          • sqgl@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            5·
            2 天前

            I was a paying user who accidentally used an alt account a day before a ban was up.

            The ban was ridiculous and unjustified but I understand alt accounts are against the rules. My appeal was rejected.

            It was stupid if me to pay in the first place. My profile was linked to my real identity as result.

          • Quokka@mastodon.au
            2·
            2 天前

            @QueenHawlSera lol. they blocked my account for having been created to evade a previous ban. Which was odd. First account there.
            Figured it was some automated bollocks they’d be able to check.
            Appealed, they reinstated it. Then permabanned it later same day for same reason. Gave up.

            • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              1·
              2 天前

              Sadly that scans, apparently Reddit is one of the hardest websites to do a ban evade on because it does so many checks. If it gets the slightest whiff of something pertaining to a banned account, they ban you and increase the amount of checks they do.

              Not surprised they have false positives.

  • Cypher@lemmy.worldEnglish
    435·
    3 天前

    Just the cost of pissing off all the highly technical users who helped build the place.

          • ccunning@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            3 天前

            I just realized this could be taken at least a couple different ways.

            The way I intended was, Reddit relies fully on the free labor of volunteers for moderation.

            It wasn’t intended to be a comment on not paying for Reddit. I believe all users on Reddit provide free value to the company whether by posting, commenting, or voting.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
            9·
            3 天前

            now hiding history to avoid bot detection by other users, but they are banning people allegedly to be bots, but not actual propaganda bots themselves.

        • Carighan Maconar@piefed.worldEnglish
          3·
          3 天前

          I mean some, yeah. It’s a community-run system, so naturally for every bad user, there’s a bad mod, too.

          But there’s also a good mod for every good user, basically.

  • kaotic@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    3 天前

    I really need to go back and delete all my posts, I just dropped it and never went back.

  • Omega (she/her) @lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1661·
    3 天前

    When Reddit’s API debacle happened lots of people moved away. Some deleted their comments, some edited them with a message in protest. But sadly the consequences is that a lot of history and useful information got lost in the process.

    I don’t know how I feel about this. I understand why it’s done and even why it needs to be done, but it still makes me sad considering the amount of times where Reddit saved me from massive headaches with IT stuff and so on…

    • Roopappy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1784·
      3 天前

      As someone who deleted their posts… yes. The goal was to make Reddit worse, by removing my contributions to it because they forgot where their value came from.

      My content had some small value to them. They didn’t deserve it.

      • dickalan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        132·
        3 天前

        I hope they delete all your stuff when your account gets banned because I’ve left at least three of those in my wake

        • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
          191·
          3 天前

          They don’t delete your content, they just redact your username and disassociate each individual comment from your larger profile so nobody could, for example, click on the deleted user who posted a comment in r/abc and see they also posted a particular comment in r/xyz.

          The reason tools like Redact (many of them all use this same name lol) have taken off in popularity is because they delete, or redact the contents of your posts before you delete the account, thus making even that vestigial data worthless.

        • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          3 天前

          I believe they are still there but hidden.

          Quite possibily it depends on the type of ban you received (e.g. spam vs inflicting harm on xyz)

          • dickalan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 天前

            I know better than to threaten people online. It was all stupid political bullshit.

            • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              2·
              3 天前

              That’s not really what I meant.
              What I was trying to say is no ban is equal. Reddit may very well have nuance to bans they can utilize that will prevent you from just participating in comments/upvotes to full on shadow-bans.

      • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        2335·
        3 天前

        I hear these justifications a lot, but the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises.

        The value of the archival data that can be affected by deleting or editing is almost entirely only user-accessed value. Reddit isn’t harmed at all from the edits. It primarily needs active regular users to improve its stock value. Alternatively, it can sell archival data for AI training.

        Editing old comments removes neither value source from Reddit. You moved away from it so deprived it of both the material value of new comments and the statistical value of being an active user. Reddit also assuredly has saved data from before the API issue and can likely spot and clean the mass edits to sell the data from training purposes.

        Conversely, the value to users and society is high. So many solutions to problems that are gone forever. The Internet is decaying already and it gets harder to find useful information, and those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.

        It’s their - and your - right, sure. They’re by definition done on comments the user owns. But this is just punching desperate Internet users in the face hoping it gives Reddit a bloody nose.

        • glimse@lemmy.worldEnglish
          381·
          3 天前

          Would you sign up for a social media website if all the tech support posts looked like the above?

        • expr@programming.devEnglish
          221·
          3 天前

          If that were true, then why did Reddit respond to the mass deletions (that’s what people did at first, not edits) by undeleting the comments?

        • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          101·
          3 天前

          those leaving decided to just burn down a library of Alexandria.

          More like I had my book taken off the shelves because the librarians are dicks

          • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
            22·
            2 天前

            Ah, where are those books now? Which shelves can I find them on?

            I get the metaphorical point, but it’s a point without effect. “Removing with no possible present or future access” is the same as “burning” for society’s purposes.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3·
          3 天前

          the highest value content, is mostly political anyways, its draws in more money for a platform, because users are addicted ragebait.

    • wols@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      2 天前

      Yup, Reddit fucked us all after we gave them our knowledge for free.
      Trick people into thinking they’re contributing to a commons, steal the contributions and run. Very understandable that many people decided to retaliate after the betrayal.
      I really hope decentralized knowledge bases take off. Aggregating niche knowledge from experts and non-experts everywhere the internet touches is such a valuable proposition!

      I had like one useful comment posted to Reddit. I’ve left it up, and once every few months I get a comment being appreciative for the info.
      Reddit gets the traffic because of Google indexing the original post of a user with the problem. People are going to visit it regardless of whether they’ll find the answer or not. In fact, if they don’t find it, they’re more likely to keep browsing posts in the hope of finding something.

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      281·
      3 天前

      Reddit undeleted a lot of the content removed during the API debacle. This comment must have been after that because you can see the latest comment is post API changes.

      • Elvith Ma'for@feddit.orgEnglish
        171·
        3 天前

        That’s why I didn’t close my account and still do a new turn of mass edits every 2-3 months. I have nothing deleted, just constantly overwritten. I get regularly banned from some subreddits after each wave, probably because some comments may trigger some sort of spam detection and edits alert the mods then.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          91·
          3 天前

          reddit can detect if you did massedit as suspicious activity, a normal person cant change multiple comments at once, but with a script they will see it as botting.

    • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
      4·
      3 天前

      The sad part of it is that they (reddit) can still access that deleleted information and sell it for AI training. Even as a “power” user you can use websites that “undelete” that content. The only ones truly affected by this are people randomly browsing reddit.

      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
        51·
        3 天前

        I mean it does reduce the value of the content that users created on reddit if a ton of random comments were deleted in protest. Every time you hit a thread like the OOP it reduces reddit 's value to the individual, and in aggregate it reduces reddits value

        • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          2 天前

          Did you actually read my comment? That’s an issue casual users have. If you want to see deleted comments, there’s a way to do that.

          The only thing that actually hurts reddit is if people stop using it an generating new content.

    • Saprophyte@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      2 天前

      I provided quite a few answers in Linux, UNIX, and programming forums. I had to delete my comments multiple times as they kept getting restored. I even had a script that I’d run in my browser that would go through and delete all my posts until a month passed with no restorations, then deleted my account. Reddit should never be a Google result for tech help to begin with. It should take you to documentation.

      • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        6·
        2 天前

        yeah when I left I deleted everything. When I was talking about it to a friend who uses it, and knows my account, informed me that all my interactions with them are still there. Took a look, and yeah, everything restored.

  • knobpolisher@feddit.nlEnglish
    151·
    2 天前

    Are there any tools that can edit your comments to make the ingestion of your data into ai models less worthwhile? Eg. The comments are edited to not be random, superficially look like a human made them, but have very little value when sold by reddit

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      8·
      2 天前

      I forget the tool but every once in a while you’ll see a comment of gibberish words and it says “comment removed thanks to X”.

      The service edits the comments instead of erasing them.

      • jsomae@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 天前

        I didn’t mean to ask how one can view the comments. I meant to ask how it’s possible at all in the first place.

        • rami@ani.socialEnglish
          3·
          2 天前

          Iirc using the ‘delete’ button just does the equivalent of breaking the link to a picture. The data is still there.

          • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            2 天前

            This is why, during the mass exodus, many people were sharing scripts to edit your comments with random words before deleting them. Because deleting them leaves the content available in the database, but editing actually overwrites the data. So even if Reddit later decides to undo the deletions, (which they did), then they’ll just be a bunch of gibberish undeleted comments.