The one that they keep spending billions of dollars every year to influence, including spreading the myth that your vote doesn’t matter, to discourage voter participation.
The one that they keep spending billions of dollars every year to influence
Which is why voting cannot overcome capital. I’m not saying voting is pointless, only that voting has been made to be incapable of undoing the power that has accumulated under capital.
The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.
Why not? Have you tried? The internet is the greatest opportunity in American history - you no longer need to be a newspaper tycoon or a TV or radio station owner to reach people. Just the right message and the right personality.
China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist, and they did it all for PENNIES.
I don’t know who this meme is directed at but for clarity’s sake, I’m Canadian. And yes, a LOT of America’s problems can be blamed on “foreigners”, specifically Russians:
That’s not how sources work dumb ass; those are not all just 187 redundant sources that all independently support every claim in the article. This is why you people only ever cite wikipedia; because you can never actually find good sources for your specific claim, so you just try and use the fact that Wikipedia has a list of citations for different claims and pretend its the same thing.
And even then, that article doesn’t even back up your claim; it says nothing about eating tidepods or anything like that.
You’re denying that Russia is influencing America at all?
Fuck off, that was not your claim, spare us the motte-and-bailly bullshit.
Individuals give up their personal wealth every day for a variety of reasons, but the capitalist class writ large has never once been abolished or ceded power to the working class without explicit or implicit threat of violence.
But even then, a single person using their immense fortune to create a social benefit system is still a threat of violence against capital, and can be used to extract concessions from the capital class. Maybe you’re thinking of violence as physical, but I’m using it to mean any great force capable of compelling action.
Why? Because of a wikipedia post citing things like the Washington Post? What is your actual evidence? Present your actual evidence of “China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist”. Not some other claim, not just “oh Russia does some astroturfing”, that specific claim. How about you start with the tide pods.
Or, hear me out, a majority of this is homegrown because rich people see the appetite for socialism and socialist policies in their populace and they are scared they will lose their royal thrones.
The answer to socialism was fascism and propaganda last century, the same playbook is being used today.
Or, hear me out, the American GOP has been corrupted by Russia since 2012, after Citizens United. That’s when Fox News started saying how Putin is a better leader than Obama. They were broke, and Russia funded them through the NRA.
If you stop Russia, you can stop a lot of this bullshit.
The one that they keep spending billions of dollars every year to influence, including spreading the myth that your vote doesn’t matter, to discourage voter participation.
If billions are being used to influence elections, and that isn’t all grassroots - there isn’t democracy.
The form of capitalism we enjoy currently and democracy are fundamentally opposed.
If billions are being used to influence elections, and that isn’t all grassroots - there isn’t democracy.
I’m not an absolutist. It is democracy, just not as democratic as it should be.
Take Russia, for example. They overcame the DNC’s billions with a few hundred thousand on internet bots to trick America into electing a fascist. The internet was a wide open propaganda hole that everyone overlooked, and you didn’t even need to be a billionaire to reach people on it.
Why aren’t you trying as hard as they are? Are you too comfortable in American decadency?
Source your claims. Right-wing think tanks, right-wing media and influencers, right-wing organizations, the DNC, Hillary’s campaign, and even liberal media created Trump and allowed him to rise to power.
Trump was nobody before the media put him on blast. If there were so many “Russian bots” that enabled his rise to power, prove it - it should be easy for you.
I’m sorry are there some email leaks I’m unaware of that reveal that Russia actually wasn’t involved in helping Trump get elected at all or what are you trying to argue here?
July 22: WikiLeaks publishes 20,000 emails from seven key DNC officials. The emails show them disparaging Bernie Sanders and favoring Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential primaries.
Did Russia make them do that too?
I’m arguing that I trust Julian over Stone and anybody else who claims otherwise. You are free to disagree.
You keep changing the subject. I’m talking about Russia influencing the US election to lean towards fascism. What does that have to do with DNC officials being biased against Bernie?
The source is a verified, leaked email from Clinton’s campaign and an internal DNC memo, if you cared to read. Who cares about Salon. The Wikileaks releases are the only meat of election interference, which according to Julian, didn’t come from Russia.
Everybody has seen those pages, and reporting on the subject - but the impact was minimal during the 2016 elections and onwards, I’d argue.
Russian operatives maintaining Facebook/Twitter accounts to organize small protests is truly insignificant and Russian-linked actors buying ads (that ultimately didn’t reach many) to manipulate the election is a failure of the companies involved for accepting the money and running the ads.
Russian operatives maintaining Facebook/Twitter accounts to organize small protests is truly insignificant and Russian-linked actors buying ads (that ultimately didn’t reach many) to manipulate the election is a failure of the companies involved. If Facebook/Twitter algorithms widely promoted these accounts and ads, it’s another failure.
Yes, many failures. Are you at least admitting it happened? That Russia used these failures to manipulate American elections?
Julian was not on anybody’s side in particular, there is no evidence that Julian ever favored Putin or the government there. Go and actually listen to past recordings of the guy to get a handle on his beliefs and principles. What did Russia ever do for him?
I am admitting that some stuff happened, but that nothing truly significant occurred. Hillary won the popular vote by a wide margin. The only thing that occurred was Red Scare 2.0 with ample hysteria - tech company incompetence aside. What ensued was everybody accusing everybody of being a Russian actor, with no proof.
The push for Trump was multi-pronged, see my initial response for the meat of what created Trump.
Julian was not on anybody’s side in particular, there is no evidence that Julian favored Putin or the government there.
They consistently concealed evidence against the GOP and Russia, they outright denied claims made against Russia on their official accounts, they repeated Russian propaganda… come on man. It was obvious.
What did Russia ever do for him?
Be enemies of his enemies.
Red Scare 2.0
I’m sorry, are you suggesting Russia is somehow communist? They’re fascist, and they’re spreading fascism throughout the world on the internet, and they need to be stopped.
What ensued was everybody accusing everybody of being a Russian actor, with no proof.
What are you talking about? Countless members of Trump’s staff were arrested and sent to jail for being Russian spies. The NRA had a Russian spy funneling money. Right wing radio and youtube hosts across America were caught taking Russian money.
The one that they keep spending billions of dollars every year to influence, including spreading the myth that your vote doesn’t matter, to discourage voter participation.
Which is why voting cannot overcome capital. I’m not saying voting is pointless, only that voting has been made to be incapable of undoing the power that has accumulated under capital.
The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.
Why not? Have you tried? The internet is the greatest opportunity in American history - you no longer need to be a newspaper tycoon or a TV or radio station owner to reach people. Just the right message and the right personality.
China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist, and they did it all for PENNIES.
I don’t know who this meme is directed at but for clarity’s sake, I’m Canadian. And yes, a LOT of America’s problems can be blamed on “foreigners”, specifically Russians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Timeline_of_the_Internet_Research_Agency_interference_in_United_States_elections
Neoliberals re-inventing the Nazi Judeo-Bolshivik conspiracy theory. Makes sense for a Canadian I suppose, given how much you guys love Nazis.
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That’s not how sources work dumb ass; those are not all just 187 redundant sources that all independently support every claim in the article. This is why you people only ever cite wikipedia; because you can never actually find good sources for your specific claim, so you just try and use the fact that Wikipedia has a list of citations for different claims and pretend its the same thing.
And even then, that article doesn’t even back up your claim; it says nothing about eating tidepods or anything like that.
Fuck off, that was not your claim, spare us the motte-and-bailly bullshit.
Fuck off, Nazi trash.
At least I don’t have to resort to childish insults to support my arguments.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
The fuck are you still on about tide pods? We’re talking about Russia spreading fascism.
You keep using these words, these are not what these words mean.
Excuse me, how does me asking if you are Russian make me a Nazi? Right now the Russians are the Nazis.
Because capital will never cede power without a threat of violence (implicit or otherwise).
Again, have you tried?
Yes, quite sure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Timeline_of_the_Internet_Research_Agency_interference_in_United_States_elections
Every fuckin day, bud. It has quite literally never happened without it.
Those are billion-dollar psyop campaigns run by the largest and most well-funded intelligence agencies in the world.
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Individuals give up their personal wealth every day for a variety of reasons, but the capitalist class writ large has never once been abolished or ceded power to the working class without explicit or implicit threat of violence.
But even then, a single person using their immense fortune to create a social benefit system is still a threat of violence against capital, and can be used to extract concessions from the capital class. Maybe you’re thinking of violence as physical, but I’m using it to mean any great force capable of compelling action.
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Why? Because of a wikipedia post citing things like the Washington Post? What is your actual evidence? Present your actual evidence of “China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist”. Not some other claim, not just “oh Russia does some astroturfing”, that specific claim. How about you start with the tide pods.
There’s 184 sources in there, discredit all of them.
Google “Tiktok challenges”.
But really, I’m more concerned about the electing a fascist part.
Fuck off with that Gish Gallop. How about you actually present your sources.
I googled it, found zero evidence about “China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into eating tide pods”
So you were just lying.
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Or, hear me out, a majority of this is homegrown because rich people see the appetite for socialism and socialist policies in their populace and they are scared they will lose their royal thrones.
The answer to socialism was fascism and propaganda last century, the same playbook is being used today.
Or, hear me out, the American GOP has been corrupted by Russia since 2012, after Citizens United. That’s when Fox News started saying how Putin is a better leader than Obama. They were broke, and Russia funded them through the NRA.
If you stop Russia, you can stop a lot of this bullshit.
Straight up fascist shit. Literally the villain from Doctor StrangeLove.
Yes, Russia is fascist. Stop the fascists.
Lol, OK fascist.
I’m sorry you’re OK with fascists? What?
If billions are being used to influence elections, and that isn’t all grassroots - there isn’t democracy.
The form of capitalism we enjoy currently and democracy are fundamentally opposed.
I’m not an absolutist. It is democracy, just not as democratic as it should be.
Take Russia, for example. They overcame the DNC’s billions with a few hundred thousand on internet bots to trick America into electing a fascist. The internet was a wide open propaganda hole that everyone overlooked, and you didn’t even need to be a billionaire to reach people on it.
Why aren’t you trying as hard as they are? Are you too comfortable in American decadency?
Source your claims. Right-wing think tanks, right-wing media and influencers, right-wing organizations, the DNC, Hillary’s campaign, and even liberal media created Trump and allowed him to rise to power.
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/
Trump was nobody before the media put him on blast. If there were so many “Russian bots” that enabled his rise to power, prove it - it should be easy for you.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Salon is compromised, they’re part of the Russia denialists.
The email leaks are verified, try again.
I’m sorry are there some email leaks I’m unaware of that reveal that Russia actually wasn’t involved in helping Trump get elected at all or what are you trying to argue here?
Did Russia make them do that too?
I’m arguing that I trust Julian over Stone and anybody else who claims otherwise. You are free to disagree.
You keep changing the subject. I’m talking about Russia influencing the US election to lean towards fascism. What does that have to do with DNC officials being biased against Bernie?
Well I can sure as shit do better than Salon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Timeline_of_the_Internet_Research_Agency_interference_in_United_States_elections
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-HPSCI-Report-Manufactured-Russia-Hoax-July2025.pdf
The source is a verified, leaked email from Clinton’s campaign and an internal DNC memo, if you cared to read. Who cares about Salon. The Wikileaks releases are the only meat of election interference, which according to Julian, didn’t come from Russia.
Everybody has seen those pages, and reporting on the subject - but the impact was minimal during the 2016 elections and onwards, I’d argue.
Russian operatives maintaining Facebook/Twitter accounts to organize small protests is truly insignificant and Russian-linked actors buying ads (that ultimately didn’t reach many) to manipulate the election is a failure of the companies involved for accepting the money and running the ads.
What are you talking about? Julian was on Russia’s side.
On what basis would you argue that? The DNI disagrees:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Yes, many failures. Are you at least admitting it happened? That Russia used these failures to manipulate American elections?
Julian was not on anybody’s side in particular, there is no evidence that Julian ever favored Putin or the government there. Go and actually listen to past recordings of the guy to get a handle on his beliefs and principles. What did Russia ever do for him?
I am admitting that some stuff happened, but that nothing truly significant occurred. Hillary won the popular vote by a wide margin. The only thing that occurred was Red Scare 2.0 with ample hysteria - tech company incompetence aside. What ensued was everybody accusing everybody of being a Russian actor, with no proof.
The push for Trump was multi-pronged, see my initial response for the meat of what created Trump.
They consistently concealed evidence against the GOP and Russia, they outright denied claims made against Russia on their official accounts, they repeated Russian propaganda… come on man. It was obvious.
Be enemies of his enemies.
I’m sorry, are you suggesting Russia is somehow communist? They’re fascist, and they’re spreading fascism throughout the world on the internet, and they need to be stopped.
What are you talking about? Countless members of Trump’s staff were arrested and sent to jail for being Russian spies. The NRA had a Russian spy funneling money. Right wing radio and youtube hosts across America were caught taking Russian money.
Why are you denying all of this?