Oh well that specifically wait and see, sure. But obviously it shouldn’t move the needle on your opinion of the state of Israel and their unconscionable siege of Gaza, is what I meant.
Honest question: is that not just being complicit in their cover up? If they say nothing happened and nobody is allowed in to verify anything, then you say nothing has been verified yet so you’ll assume nothing has happened, it’s that not just doing exactly what they want? How are you supposed to prevent atrocities if all they have to do is deny and refuse outside observation for you to remain inactive?
I just don’t like to take things on faith. Some collaborating evidence is nice to have. It doesn’t mean it has to be irrefutable proof, the bar isn’t that high in this case imo.
The comment above mine was trying to call out people who want to wait for facts. I just shared my opinion on it. This is not a very high barrier platform lol
Indeed, but that isn’t my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn’t have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn’t even worthy of criticism it’s so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
Genociding/exterminating/holocausting isn’t a new behavior for Israel.
Doing it in the name of “zionism” is new, but genociding isn’t new.
I’d never have guessed this, having grown-up in 2 religions: medical-science & Catholicism,
but the book “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain identified that the original holocausting was done by the Jews, & I went & checked in the bible, & yep… there it was…
what Shlain didn’t notice, probably because of being Jewish, was that the Catholic Inquisitors were Latin-educated, which also corroborates his point that getting populations to be left-hemisphere-dominant forces ideological-rabies…
What is the root-cause, though? Want experience-induced-undersanding which vastens one’s mind?
Work-through, not-merely-read, it is the DOing which produces the experience-of-sentience-transformation, Betty Edwards’ “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, the 4th, Definitive Edition”, but use charcoals, which makes it much easier to experience the hemisphere-dominance-shift…
That SHOWS the difference-in-MIND of hemisphere-dominance-shift: it is EVIDENCE.
Being an autistic blockhead, it took me 3y, not 5d, to experience that shift, because fighting the woodenness-of-my-brain made me want to scream…
Anyways, all who pretend that “there is no evidence for hemisphere-dominance-shift”, are people who won’t do the experiment, so … they can shove their ideology … wherever their egos are, to keep their egos company.
: p
Ideology, specifically symbol-anchored ideology, is prone to rabies/genociding, exactly as Shlain identified, throughout human history.
R-Mind isn’t prone to rabies/genociding.
Exactly as Marshall McLuhan, the ultra-genius who forsaw telework around 1953, it isn’t possible for people who grew-up literate to understand what illiterate-culture’s story-river sentience is, or means…
His stupendous insight is embodied in “The Medium Is The mAssage”, strange-capitalization is mine, but the spelling is his!
The medium of electric-technology, as he called it, is modular, & it forms minds into modularity!
The medium of story-river isn’t modular, & forms minds into holding-onto eternal story-river, because that’s their greatest treasure: it is who they are that they are holding-onto!
There’s no way to imagine being in sooo-different a kind of sentience.
Precisely the same impossibility-of-understanding-the-difference is true, with hemisphere-dominance-shift: it isn’t possible to imagine within-1-sentience-kind, what any other-sentience-kind means/is/feels-like!
Hofstadter’s “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid” was also on this single point, from a totally-different angle:
Formal-systems, ideologies, prejudices, & “religions”, all are AXIOM-BASED knowing: and evidence is powerless to falsify them!
One has to choose between 2 mutually exclusive knowing-paradigms: self-consistency/axiom-based, … XOR … completeness/universe-centered.
Godel’s Theorem of Incompleteness mathematically proved that self-consistency CANNOT be complete-knowing of universe!
Anyways, back to sentiences:
IF one never even experiences one’s own brain’s hemisphere-dominance-shift, THEN one dies ignorant of AN ENTIRE DIMENSION of one’s own sentience!
The fact that alphabetic-language/left-hemisphere-polarization also consistently produces more genociding, builds on that as evidence that limiting ourselves to a specific-subset-of-our-potential creates distorted-psyche… & distorted-behavior/society.
I ask everyone, as Betty Edwards asked everyone, please DO THE EXPERIMENT, & EXPERIENCE the resultant sentience-shift, your own self, & KNOW what that sentience-shift feels-like,
& when one does, THEN Shlain’s book turns into fluorescent, & screaming, warning, about the consequences of blocking-out the other-half of our brains.
People who experience both kinds of sentience, regularly, don’t do what the ideologues are doing with our world!
That the mode-of-mind that the polarized-in-symbols people are demonstrating, with its ideological-genociding, is a distortion.
It is a mind-distortion that WE have been educated into!
Cut the root of the distortion, by directly-experiencing it oneself!
Here: I’ll give you the links to the books, themselves… ( none of these are “affiliate” links: machiavellianism-narcissism can go eat rocks : )
https://www.drawright.com/bettys-books
https://www.drawright.com/try-an-exercise
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/drawing-on-the-right-side-of-the-brain
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-alphabet-versus-the-goddess-the-conflict-between-word-and-image
No ebook version for McLuhan's stunningly-important insight, so here's the paperback: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=marshall+mcluhan+medium+massage
ditto for GEB: https://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/
( for both the paperbacks, I read the original edition, decades ago, so I hope that you’re getting a version that hasn’t pruned-out any of the important stuff! GEB, the 2nd edition adds an explanatory preface, so that’s the only change, but for McLuhan’s, I’ve no idea what changed between editions )
Anyways, genociders gaslighting about what they’re doing, as Russia has been demonstrating, & Israel has been demonstrating, & as the US of A will shortly be more-completely-demonstrating, once Trump stops vascillating in his nature/unconscious-mind, & becomes like Putin & Netanyahu completely ( might take only weeks/months, now, for that transformation to complete ) is well-established and normal among our world’s left-hemisphere-polarized minds,
AND evidence showing what’s actuality, is abundant, including before-after video of Palestinian cities.
Reject evidence if you want, & pretend that no evidence counts unless it is … authorized by the gaslighters who’re doing the genociding, if that’s what “standard” you hold to be true:
I’ve encountered enough people who do that that now I know it’s a real thing…
I’ve also encountered the ones who insist that unless Israel authorizes Palestinian-deaths to be actual, they they’re only lies/delusions made-up to falsely-accuse Israel.
Sorry, but the photographic & video-evidence has been falsifying that gaslighting all along, & I’m not obedient to such evil-machiavellianism, anymore: age has benefits, including spine-produced-by-cynicism.
Don’t hold your breath, facts are what they feed the media, why do you think something like the feddi verse has to exist…you should see the cess pool of mainstream social media at any giventime…you’d be surprised how this human race is still even here and didn’t wipe each other out
You completely misunderstood my point or have lead clogging your ears.
How many facts are enough facts? Mm? All the facts? Not a single fact missing, not a single rock left unturned before reaching a conclusion?
At what angle does the sun have to reach before you conclude it’s daytime? Do you need it to reach its peak, at noon, and feel the warmth on your skin? Does it need to completely dip below the horizon for you to concede a day has passed? Of course, at that point you’ll surely say, “Ah ha! See! The sun is no longer in the sky and so it is not daytime!”
It seems that you believe conclusions only arrive from deduction. That’s a cowardly way of rolling about in this world, since all your conclusions must be guaranteed rather than reasoned through logical inference.
“Sensible”—ha! Thinking by “sense” alone squanders the powers of reason wherein conclusions may be formed at the risk of not yet being fully grounded in immediate observation, which is how I can confidently infer—despite the thorough stone turning upon which you’d undoubtedly insist—that you are not a sex-haver.
Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They “waited for the facts” which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There’s evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they’re committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
Waiting for the facts is a pretty sensible move in most situations.
Well yeah, but we’ve got plenty of facts already. Decades of facts, in fact.
It’s like climate change. Yes, we’re constantly learning new things, but the fact that we are in crisis is not disputable.
We have more than enough facts to condemn and convict Israel and Netanyahu of crimes against humanity.
But I’m talking about the Greta thing though
Oh well that specifically wait and see, sure. But obviously it shouldn’t move the needle on your opinion of the state of Israel and their unconscionable siege of Gaza, is what I meant.
I mean if true I’ll think worse of them
Not if Israel is not allowing in journalists. Every testimony against Israel is 100% true because they refuse to let people check.
I don’t think it works like that hah
Honest question: is that not just being complicit in their cover up? If they say nothing happened and nobody is allowed in to verify anything, then you say nothing has been verified yet so you’ll assume nothing has happened, it’s that not just doing exactly what they want? How are you supposed to prevent atrocities if all they have to do is deny and refuse outside observation for you to remain inactive?
I just don’t like to take things on faith. Some collaborating evidence is nice to have. It doesn’t mean it has to be irrefutable proof, the bar isn’t that high in this case imo.
It does.
I’m never going to say don’t wait for facts.
But the issue is that “the facts” can take years to assertain… Sometimes there’s a lot of damage that can be done.
It’s a delicate balance. People weaponize “wait for the facts” to just delay and dull the impact. Like most things, it’s not black and white.
I don’t think saying “most” is the best application here.
At this point in time everything Israel and Netanyahu do is sus, so ‘waiting for the facts’ is just an excuse to do nothing.
Since you are not waiting. What are you doing?
Shaming others on social media, of course. How very brave and noble of them!
Mental masturbation is it? Let me assure you that you can’t shame these people. They have none along with no empathy.
For some, I guess it could be. I just personally prefer for more concrete info for most stuff.
Then why even comment? Your comment brings zero value
The comment above mine was trying to call out people who want to wait for facts. I just shared my opinion on it. This is not a very high barrier platform lol
So let’s spread potential misinformation instead! Banzai!
(There’s enough evidence of Netanyhau and Israel’s atrocities not to have to potentially make shit up.)
One piece of misinfo is enough for them to use as a Get out of jail-free card
Indeed, but that isn’t my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn’t have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn’t even worthy of criticism it’s so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
FOX news & Sky News aren’t captured. They ARE conservative propaganda machines
This is OLD news, their genociding has been going-on for years, now.
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6669/Euro-Med-Monitor:-Israel’s-brutality-in-Gaza-surpasses-all-recent-forms-of-terrorism
“comically”, the Jewish book of Jeremiah, & the Jewish book of Isaiah, both speak of Israel turning anti-God, & then getting G-D’s wrath torching it…
IF that biblical-rule still holds, THEN Netanyahu’s “Israel” is getting torched, soon.
Simply wait & see: if that torching does happen, then their God made it happen, according to their scripture, right?
Here’s facts, for the ideological to ignore/deny: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/
Israeli identity is rooted on genociding/exterminating multiple-nations, thousands of years ago:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+20%3A17&version=CJB orders the EXTERMINATION of 6 nations, & another of their books identifies that it was 7 exterminations, not 6, they were to enforce.
Genociding/exterminating/holocausting isn’t a new behavior for Israel.
Doing it in the name of “zionism” is new, but genociding isn’t new.
I’d never have guessed this, having grown-up in 2 religions: medical-science & Catholicism,
but the book “The Alphabet Versus the Goddess” by Leonard Shlain identified that the original holocausting was done by the Jews, & I went & checked in the bible, & yep… there it was…
what Shlain didn’t notice, probably because of being Jewish, was that the Catholic Inquisitors were Latin-educated, which also corroborates his point that getting populations to be left-hemisphere-dominant forces ideological-rabies…
What is the root-cause, though? Want experience-induced-undersanding which vastens one’s mind?
Work-through, not-merely-read, it is the DOing which produces the experience-of-sentience-transformation, Betty Edwards’ “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, the 4th, Definitive Edition”, but use charcoals, which makes it much easier to experience the hemisphere-dominance-shift…
See this gallery?
https://www.drawright.com/before-after
That SHOWS the difference-in-MIND of hemisphere-dominance-shift: it is EVIDENCE.
Being an autistic blockhead, it took me 3y, not 5d, to experience that shift, because fighting the woodenness-of-my-brain made me want to scream…
Anyways, all who pretend that “there is no evidence for hemisphere-dominance-shift”, are people who won’t do the experiment, so … they can shove their ideology … wherever their egos are, to keep their egos company.
: p
Ideology, specifically symbol-anchored ideology, is prone to rabies/genociding, exactly as Shlain identified, throughout human history.
R-Mind isn’t prone to rabies/genociding.
Exactly as Marshall McLuhan, the ultra-genius who forsaw telework around 1953, it isn’t possible for people who grew-up literate to understand what illiterate-culture’s story-river sentience is, or means…
His stupendous insight is embodied in “The Medium Is The mAssage”, strange-capitalization is mine, but the spelling is his!
The medium of electric-technology, as he called it, is modular, & it forms minds into modularity!
The medium of story-river isn’t modular, & forms minds into holding-onto eternal story-river, because that’s their greatest treasure: it is who they are that they are holding-onto!
There’s no way to imagine being in sooo-different a kind of sentience.
Precisely the same impossibility-of-understanding-the-difference is true, with hemisphere-dominance-shift: it isn’t possible to imagine within-1-sentience-kind, what any other-sentience-kind means/is/feels-like!
Hofstadter’s “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid” was also on this single point, from a totally-different angle:
Formal-systems, ideologies, prejudices, & “religions”, all are AXIOM-BASED knowing: and evidence is powerless to falsify them!
One has to choose between 2 mutually exclusive knowing-paradigms: self-consistency/axiom-based, … XOR … completeness/universe-centered.
Godel’s Theorem of Incompleteness mathematically proved that self-consistency CANNOT be complete-knowing of universe!
Anyways, back to sentiences:
IF one never even experiences one’s own brain’s hemisphere-dominance-shift, THEN one dies ignorant of AN ENTIRE DIMENSION of one’s own sentience!
The fact that alphabetic-language/left-hemisphere-polarization also consistently produces more genociding, builds on that as evidence that limiting ourselves to a specific-subset-of-our-potential creates distorted-psyche… & distorted-behavior/society.
I ask everyone, as Betty Edwards asked everyone, please DO THE EXPERIMENT, & EXPERIENCE the resultant sentience-shift, your own self, & KNOW what that sentience-shift feels-like,
& when one does, THEN Shlain’s book turns into fluorescent, & screaming, warning, about the consequences of blocking-out the other-half of our brains.
People who experience both kinds of sentience, regularly, don’t do what the ideologues are doing with our world!
That the mode-of-mind that the polarized-in-symbols people are demonstrating, with its ideological-genociding, is a distortion.
It is a mind-distortion that WE have been educated into!
Cut the root of the distortion, by directly-experiencing it oneself!
Here: I’ll give you the links to the books, themselves… ( none of these are “affiliate” links: machiavellianism-narcissism can go eat rocks : )
( for both the paperbacks, I read the original edition, decades ago, so I hope that you’re getting a version that hasn’t pruned-out any of the important stuff! GEB, the 2nd edition adds an explanatory preface, so that’s the only change, but for McLuhan’s, I’ve no idea what changed between editions )
Anyways, genociders gaslighting about what they’re doing, as Russia has been demonstrating, & Israel has been demonstrating, & as the US of A will shortly be more-completely-demonstrating, once Trump stops vascillating in his nature/unconscious-mind, & becomes like Putin & Netanyahu completely ( might take only weeks/months, now, for that transformation to complete ) is well-established and normal among our world’s left-hemisphere-polarized minds,
AND evidence showing what’s actuality, is abundant, including before-after video of Palestinian cities.
Reject evidence if you want, & pretend that no evidence counts unless it is … authorized by the gaslighters who’re doing the genociding, if that’s what “standard” you hold to be true:
I’ve encountered enough people who do that that now I know it’s a real thing…
I’ve also encountered the ones who insist that unless Israel authorizes Palestinian-deaths to be actual, they they’re only lies/delusions made-up to falsely-accuse Israel.
Sorry, but the photographic & video-evidence has been falsifying that gaslighting all along, & I’m not obedient to such evil-machiavellianism, anymore: age has benefits, including spine-produced-by-cynicism.
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Friend even the title has this as breaking news
Don’t hold your breath, facts are what they feed the media, why do you think something like the feddi verse has to exist…you should see the cess pool of mainstream social media at any giventime…you’d be surprised how this human race is still even here and didn’t wipe each other out
You completely misunderstood my point or have lead clogging your ears.
How many facts are enough facts? Mm? All the facts? Not a single fact missing, not a single rock left unturned before reaching a conclusion?
At what angle does the sun have to reach before you conclude it’s daytime? Do you need it to reach its peak, at noon, and feel the warmth on your skin? Does it need to completely dip below the horizon for you to concede a day has passed? Of course, at that point you’ll surely say, “Ah ha! See! The sun is no longer in the sky and so it is not daytime!”
It seems that you believe conclusions only arrive from deduction. That’s a cowardly way of rolling about in this world, since all your conclusions must be guaranteed rather than reasoned through logical inference.
“Sensible”—ha! Thinking by “sense” alone squanders the powers of reason wherein conclusions may be formed at the risk of not yet being fully grounded in immediate observation, which is how I can confidently infer—despite the thorough stone turning upon which you’d undoubtedly insist—that you are not a sex-haver.
I’d personally prefer at least some facts about the case in question. But the line is different for everyone
Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They “waited for the facts” which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There’s evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they’re committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
A bit of a dramatic leap, if you ask me. We’re not talking about some holocaust level stuff, we’re talking about a woman being abused while captive.
Agreed, or at least wait for Greta to tell us herself.