I used to visit the verge all the time, but their paywalls have gotten so aggressive, I just wrote them off.
I get it, but also the internet sucks these days and it’s hard to make money on advertising alone. I can’t blame a reputable journal for asking for money to see the articles they publish, and since I tolerate all sorts of patreon business models, I have to be realistic in thinking that this is going to be the only path forward for real journalism. It’s a shame, but it just seems to have worked out this way.
I can’t blame a reputable journal for asking for money to see the articles they publish
lol is the verge a “journal”? GTFO bro
propublica is about as “real journalism” as it gets, and i’ve never been blocked by a paywall with them
staying in business is the business’s problem, not the consumer’s problem
paywall = close tab
period
With this attitude you’ll get the journalism you deserve, alas.
how about the jacobin?
I get it, but reader-funded journalism is always better than advertiser-funded. But if the reporting isn’t worth paying for to you, I don’t blame you for skipping them. I feel the same way some times. One article might be worth paying for but I’m not so interested in what they report to justify a full subscription.
You’re part of the problem.
This is all about maximizing profit. Their site is covered in ads as well.
Please stop defending the people taking your money or showing you ads.
I don’t pay for the Verge, and if I did and still saw ads, I definitely wouldn’t renew. “Maximizing profit” only works, if we fold. If we fold to ad supported journalism, then companies will plaster their sites with ads. The market regulates itself if the consumer is principled enough. The problem is that your average consumer is weak willed and less-than-principled. I’m fine going without even if it ends up being a pointless endeavor.
I’m glad they are taking steps to make the platform more accessible. Especially starter packs are important. This will make a difference if people can be convinced to give it another try.
Yeah they hired / got on board one of the most senior designers fra earlier google and apple
any improvements are always welcome; average users have become accustomed to seamless onboarding - primarily on mobile
Its already easy l think but okay nice.
same! Find an instance, sing up and access through app or browser!
Yup
Please stop using archive . today and its other domains.
In the past, they prevented Cloudflare DNS users from resolving the site, because Cloudflare didn’t forward EDNS data that would allow Archive.today to dox users.
And recently, they embedded malicious DDOS code into their captcha that would cause visitors to unknowingly DDOS someone.
They are extremely shady and no one should be using them.
I’d take an alternative if you’ve got one. Otherwise, unless there’s a serious change for the worse, I’m probably going to keep posting them. Sorry!
Here’s your alternative:
unless there’s a serious change for the worse, I’m probably going to keep posting them. Sorry!
How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a “serious change for the worse” …???
You know that’s not a real alternative. I wish it was – it’d make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn’t.
I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it’s not a real alternative.
Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can’t. That’s why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can’t be replaced.
Okay, I’m just gonna explain where I’m at with this right now and why.
This isn’t a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that’s just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It’s a real harm.
We’re in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It’s a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn’t really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it’s a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm.
For me, as it stands now, I’ll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can’t because I care a lot about that harm. I’ll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we’re probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that’s where I’m at with this.
This is what I see?
@ubergeek77 @breakfastmtn ok, but what should we use instead?
Why is everyone pretending the Wayback Machine doesn’t exist
Because it doesn’t always work with recent news and, as shown by dubyakay, it’s not meant to bypass paywalls
Hmmm, thats why mullvad is blocking them?
I don’t think Mullvad is blocking anyone. I’m not sure if Archive . Today is still doing what they did in 2023, but if they are, it would be more correct to say Archive . Today is blocking you for using Mullvad’s DNS servers.
I can’t access to archive websites with mullvad vpn activated, with the dns blocking everything.
hopium
It’s already easy
Everything is easy if you can put up with an amount of friction. Most people don’t want to deal with friction.
