I feel sorry for them. But then again, this is what they want.
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They oppose making parking expensive.
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They oppose bus lanes
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They oppose bike lanes.
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They oppose trains
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They oppose train stations.
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They oppose congestion pricing.
They oppose any measure that might reduce car dependency.
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Fuck Ford for trying to rip out already built bike lanes.
Not sure what the latest is on that but I know the people sued and at least delayed it.
Latest was that Ontario appealed the decision which stopped the government from arbitrarily removing them.
AFAIK we’re waiting on the appeals court decision.
More lanes wil definitely fix this issue
Just one more lane…
Doug Ford wants to build a tunnel under it to add more lanes.
Yes, he’s as stupid as he sounds.
No he doesn’t he just wants a convenient way to funnel money to people paid to ‘study’ this boondoggle.
Bro thats the narrow stretch.
Just one more lane bro
No one is pointing out the other side of this that gets neglected and that is “the demand to live just outside the core but commute to the core daily”.
That just does not work, full stop. There was a time that it seemed to work but we already reached the capacity.
Even if we have great transportation, having people move so much on a daily basis is a bad idea.
We really need to move away from the one big city mindset, but it’s not easy to do
Work from home should be encouraged. It helped a little during the pandemic, places outside of Toronto saw an influx of people; Orilla, Peterborough, Owen Sound. But Ford ordered all the employees back to the office, and now that model is suffering.
It works if you just have railways, the finger model is extremely good.
(Finger model means cities like Copenhagen and Stockholm, where you have “fingers” of development stretching away from the “palm” in the middle, with each finger being built around a railway)
Yeah, it worked when people were okay with riding bicycles.
one big city is fine as long as you don’t want to have city where you work separate from the suburbs where you live. this is one completely artificially created expectation that only exist in america due to a century of car lobby and propaganda. if your work, doctor, pub, park and shop are all within 5-15min walk from your home and you can get everywhere else by public transport it’s ok if the city stretches wide and it is actually quite pleasant to live in (ymmv).
It’s only 16 lanes. Have they try 32 lanes?
They want to build a tunnel underneath it to add more lanes, so unironically yes.
underground trafficjam, mmmmmmmm
The key feature is, this /c won’t be able to post overhead pictures of the underground traffic.
It’s around 18 or 19 at its widest so it isn’t like they aren’t trying.
This topic just reminded me of AI. We are told we just need to build more capacity and AI will get better and more reliable. Just one more lane(data centre) and we’ll solve all the issues.
Take 1 lane away, and put a subway down the middle of that bad boy.
Absolutely not. Motorway median metros are the worst kind. Build transit in better places, and remove highway lanes own its on merits.
Induced demand is a real thing. You can disinduce demand just the same. Remove lanes to decease traffic.
Another lane, maybe?
According to Doug Ford, a huge ass tunnel.
He is, without a doubt, a fucking moron.
But somehow, Ontarians still vote for him.
*A tunnel that will be built by one of his friends.
Ah darn. I lack the vision. Why another lane, if you can do another tunnel. Like a fucking wormhole connecting the ends.
Because he’s managed to convince the bare minimum amount of idiots that all the things under his control was all Trudeau’s fault.
Yeah, there’s so much unused space in this picture: houses, trees, … Those could all be roads. Really this picture just shows how the woke “not everything is a road” policy has failed regular, everyday drivers.
Here’s an idea: If we have people live in their cars, we can eliminate housing and parkland and successfully turn all land into highways!
There is a french graphic novel from 1974 where the story is exactly that: people spend so much of their live in the car that the government device to just transform the whole country into a giant highway with oriole living in self driving car constantly moving.
There is a reddit post with the whole album there : https://www.reddit.com/r/Giscardpunk/comments/11e2kme/les_mangebitume_jacques_lob_et_josé_bielsa_1974/
Goodness. Fucking. Gracious.
Makes perfect sense.
You’re hired!
Got any more of those extra lanes?
-Automobile junkies.
Worth calling out who “they” are, cause I know a LOT of people who don’t want this.
The federal government certainly doesn’t seem like they’re doing much to reduce car dependency right now with the motion to fast track oil and gas pipelines. (Worth editing in this part for those in the UK: Yes, the current government is led by the same Carney you might know.)
The provincial government, where this highway is situated, proposed adding a tunnel, yes you read that right, A FUCKING TUNNEL!, underneath this highway TO ALLOW MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.
The Toronto City Council (which, to be fair, has less sway here) is filled with car-brained nutjobs from the suburbs who oppose every measure that they perceive makes it harder for them to get into the city.
Obligatory Fuck Doug Ford
Fuck Doug Ford indeed.
The tunnel was a stupid idea from a high school dropout. GTA needs to upgrade the GO trains, but none of the Vaughan Canadesi get rich off that.
As far as I know, that tunnel is still happening. Till DoFo gets turfed anyway. I hope.
The tunnel is impossible. Ford is wasting $50M in studies.
Not to worry, he’ll also waste $5B in construction. And then he’ll sell it to a foreign multinational.
Metro Toronto is a disappointment. It should be have been doubling its subway network every 20 years. Instead it shut down a line, added a few stations on another, and built LRT that’s slower than the bus it replaced.
It needs express subway tracks, GO with 10 minutes headways, and transit oriented development able to house 10k people within a ten minute walk of every GO stop which means zoning for density,
Pay for it by owning the land around stations like HK or Singapore and leasing it to developers for 40 story affordable apartments, increasing the gasoline tax, and putting tolls on the 401 and Gardiner.
Toronto is a transportation nightmare. It’s time to adopt successful models from Asia to make transit fast, convenient, and cheap while making driving fast, convenient, and incredibly expensive. Fill in with protected bike lanes and the city will be liveable and affordable with great air quality
Toronto is one Ford family grift piled on top of another. All city planning is based on favours owed to their buddies or to keep their degenerate relatives afloat.
The Ford brothers have been a disaster for Toronto. Starting with cancelling Transit City, demolishing the waterfront, encouraging sprawl with no transit option in the Greenbelt. Doug Ford should be in jail. Everyone intelligent said that developers are sitting on 10’s of thousands of approved building sites, and colluding with each other about how many homes get built a year. Now, even though Ford has demolished most of the environmental laws, developers aren’t rushing to build. The developers always had their own schedule. They’re now building fewer homes a year, than when Ford was elected.
The underground portion of the Eglinton LRT could have been great. Each station having a residential 30 story tower above it, and lots of retail underground to lease out. Instead each station is larger than a palace, seems empty, and has no retail.
I feel sorry for them. But then again, this is what they want.
No, it’s what the GTA suburban people want. I live in Ottawa but travel to Toronto quite often and the actual city doesn’t want any of that shit but our province is run by a petty mob boss
You can thank my fellow Ontarians for being fucking morons and electing Doug Ford who rewards his contractor buddies with expensive projects like making another layer of highway instead of improving our ailing railway infrastructure.
Doug Ford wants to double it by digging a tunnel underneath the 401. Not for electric trains. But more cars. Because I really want to drive in darkened smoggy tunnels.
Tunnel ventilation is a solved problem. I’d actually prefer if all city highways were underground.
Ok. You got me there. In a perfect world, fast subterranean mechanized electric transport would be ideal, freeing the surface for more parks, forests and bikepaths.
Edit: that is not what Douggie is planning.
I can’t wait for the entire tunnel to be closed by an accident. If you thought being stuck on the 401 was bad enough when there’s an accident, now try having absolutely nothing to look at while you do so! And if something catches fire, it’ll be far worse than above ground.
Nothing like getting stuck in traffic underground
just one more lane bro. i promise bro just one more lane and it’ll fix everything bro. bro… just one more lane. please just one more. one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro. bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro. bro bro please i just need one more lane
One more lane will fix that. /s just in case.
Regarding all the “they” in the description: there’s a huge difference in attitudes between people in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) and Trontonians proper…
