Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.
  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Article is way better than the headline…

    The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.

    Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said.

    CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.

    Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

    Most hostages are combatants, and that doesn’t meet the details for this requirement

    The majority of the almost 100 hostages who remain alive are believed to be male IDF soldiers or men of military reserve age.

    • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

      Totally untrue

        • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          You only addressed half the statement. They are not saying that Israel doesn’t take civilian hostages. They are questioning the claim that Hamas doesn’t take civilian hostages. Follow the thread please.

          • aleph@lemm.eeEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Is there any evidence that Hamas has taken new hostages since October 7th? Because AFAIK there isn’t.

            • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              7 months ago

              A temporal attribute has not been included in this statement:

              Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

              But you have added a temporal qualifier:

              taken new hostages since October 7th

              I think maybe that’s where the disconnect is? I don’t know. I don’t know who or what you’re arguing against.

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                7 months ago

                No you are changing the statement yourself. The statement is

                Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.

                Israel is widely kidnapping mostly innocent civilians whereas Hamas very much targeted military for kidnapping.

                This is as obvious as the lower than 2/3 civilian casualty rate for Hamas whereas israel has a far higher civilian casualty rate.

                • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  7 months ago

                  Sources? Do I even want your sources at this point…last time I asked for evidence you gave me a verbal statement by the prime minister and that was good enough in your book. You really don’t need much convincing when the evidence aligns with your bias, do you?

                  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                    7 months ago

                    Last time you got a source you denied reality and pretended that “no that doesn’t count”. I’m not sure why you are bringing this up it only makes you look bad.

                    Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths

                    The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.