On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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    I think I’ve figured out Trump’s Reichstag moment.

    It’ll be the White House burning down, because of something going wrong with the ballroom construction. Then he’ll get to move the presidential residence to Mar-A-Lardo like he’s always wanted, and charge the American taxpayers for renovations and rent forever.

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    Yall need to bring this down a notch. This stupid “shocker” headline

    “Trump signs executive order criminalizing opposition to fascism”

    I read that and immediately knew that was some bull shit and they were spinning something, and they were.

    Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

    Does that really sound like the headline? No, its bullshit and propaganda, by both sides, learn to recognize it.

    And im sure Trump is under the full impression that “antifa” is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he’s basically canceling a non-existent group?

    We can and should be able to be against real fascism.

    Guys. being against “antifa” doesn’t not equal being against “anti-fascist”. They’ve got yall spun around

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      This is just one more step in labeling anything opposed to the Trump administration as enemies of the state. If you don’t see that you are either ignorant or complicit. The fact that it’s so badly defined is why it makes the perfect boogeyman. They can attribute any characteristics they want to “Antifa” and then anyone who espouses those characteristics is under suspicion of being a terrorist.

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      I have hated rage bait and click bait ny entire life. I know what you are saying. But this, no this is just truthful.

      If there was an organization,sure. But since antifa does not exist, and just stands for “anti fashist” there is exactly no misunderstanding. It’s their psychosis bulging out of their pores and it’s very dangerous

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      Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

      It’s the same game Bush played with The War on Terror or Reagan with the War on Drugs. Write orders so vague and all-encompassing that virtually anyone could qualify based on a police officer or prosecutor having bad vibes.

      Trump’s running on a very time tested playbook

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        This isn’t correct or truthful. The subject of Trump and antifa vs Ronald Reagan and the war on drugs!!! You’re honestly comparing the two? You may find slim similarities but… what the hell are you even talking about? Different time, different subjects completely. The war on drugs and anti fascism. I’ve never heard those 2 things even correlated.

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      And im sure Trump is under the full impression that “antifa” is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he’s basically canceling a non-existent group?

      When this order gets interpreted and implemented, will they be reading Trump’s mind (ugh, sick thought) or will they be reading the order?

      Trump is like King Tommen, happily banging the seal of the King on whatever mommy puts in front of him. Whether or not he has the faintest idea of what he is signing is entirely irrelevant. The people who wrote the order know what they want it to mean, and they won’t be interpreting it any other way. What Trump thinks is far less relevant than what Stephen Miller thinks.

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      You think making opposition to fascism a criminal offense is a distraction from releasing the files that we already know the man is in?

      This is why we are fucking doomed. Get a grip.

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        The birthday book is the List. People have the thing they demanded and they’re still just repeating the line and nauseum to themselves.

        It’s terminal brainrot. Nobody knows how to resist a fascist government. All they know how to do is shitpost

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      Epstein files or no, this motherfucker is making it very easy to jail his critics so maybe consider giving this threat a little more weight.

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    Since that name is now burned, maybe we could start a new organization to fight fascism. And to let the world know that we’ve reached a point of fascism we can’t turn back from, we can call it Turning Point.

    It’d be fun to let them wrestle with calling brand Turning Point a terrorist group.

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    Historically the War Dept was anti fascist… Which means Trump just declared the U.S. military a crimanl terrorist organization… Time to go arrested those serving in the military. Let’s start at the top: The good old commander in chief.

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      I had a horrible stepgrandfather. He’s done two good things: first, die, second, instill in us the value of fighting fascism. He fought nazis in europe. He went off about Constant Vigilance or something. Fighting fascists is a traditional united states value.

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        Don’t suppose he had signs of PTSD? Not defending him for any horrible actions but WWII messed with a lot of men’s heads and gave lasting repercussions generations down the line. Helps to identify toxic traits that flow from it to stop it in your family and community.

        Men of america were known to weep in the streets prior to WWI. Being open to showing emotion was robbed from men due to war.

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          oh definitely had that. he got ptsd after the war. it’s a very long story that would probably identify me. short version, he served in a different theater than just about everyone from where he lived and thus felt ostracized by the veterans groups. because of that he never got the support he needed, which was partly a self-inflicted wound. as one of his favorite targets, i find i’m more able to empathize/sympathize with other folk who’ve been in his position than him.

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      Idk historically the war department was used to push fascism on people outside the country. Go ahead and ask the Vietnamese or the Iraqis how they feel about the US military.

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        After WWII the war department became the department of defense (and still is,just this year it has a nickname of war depart.) So Vietnam and both the gulf war and war on terror was a different department. However the war on terror and this year for Venezuela the DoD actions are very much like terrorism. The nickname executive order and the antifa executive order lays out the return of the historical war dept which the last war was WWII against Nazis (and against racism) as such the 2nd executive order rightly names the DoD as a terroristic organization

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    this order doesn’t really do anything. it declares that “Antifa” is a domestic terrorist organization, and directs executive agencies to prioritize investigating and preventing illegal actions done by, or on behalf of, “Antifa.”

    it doesn’t criminalize “Antifa,” define what that is, impose any sanctions, suspend any rights etc. there’s no statutory authority invoked. it’s just an order telling Federal law enforcement to focus on crimes by “Antifa” first.

    why? probably because there’s jack shit they can do. there’s no magical war powers to invoke against domestic terrorists.

    it’s just a tweet on fancy letterhead.

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      And that’s the beauty of these orders… with no definitions, ANONE can be “Antifa”.

      Therefore, anyone can be jailed under these new orders with zero effort needed aside from publicly branding them as an “Antifa member”.

      It’s a jail-whomever-you-want-for-any-reason card. It’s the perfect tool for the ambitious fascist.

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        The vagueness IS THE POINT

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NnQt_eQ0I

        IT IS DANGEROUS to laugh off their declarations as meaningless. Its is dangerous to call him an idiot. The vagueness is the point! THATS why fascism can take hold so quickly, because NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE LINE IS.

        So, as far as Im concerned, the line is way the fuck over - Go fuck yourself Trump. This executive order pretty much outs you as a fascist. - there.

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    Time to start mailing antifa membership cards to all your favorite republicans.

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    All this really does make me wonder about that Fourth Turning theory…it’s like 80 years since the end of WWII, almost to the day.

    We fought a war to end fascism.

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      Not really though. They were just anti German-Nazi. Just look at all the lynchings, the Jim Crow laws, segregation etc.

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        Also helping to overthrow democratically elected governments in Guatemala and other Latin American countries to protect the interests of capital.

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        The fact that our govt didn’t really give a shit about the nazis until Pearl Harbor forced our entry into the war.