On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”

Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.

Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”

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    Yall need to bring this down a notch. This stupid “shocker” headline

    “Trump signs executive order criminalizing opposition to fascism”

    I read that and immediately knew that was some bull shit and they were spinning something, and they were.

    Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

    Does that really sound like the headline? No, its bullshit and propaganda, by both sides, learn to recognize it.

    And im sure Trump is under the full impression that “antifa” is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he’s basically canceling a non-existent group?

    We can and should be able to be against real fascism.

    Guys. being against “antifa” doesn’t not equal being against “anti-fascist”. They’ve got yall spun around

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      This is just one more step in labeling anything opposed to the Trump administration as enemies of the state. If you don’t see that you are either ignorant or complicit. The fact that it’s so badly defined is why it makes the perfect boogeyman. They can attribute any characteristics they want to “Antifa” and then anyone who espouses those characteristics is under suspicion of being a terrorist.

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        I dont even disagree. I do believe its the “boogyman” to justify bull shit on his agenda. Antifa is probably only as news worthy as it is useful as a scapegoat for something.

        That is side of all this…

        It doesn’t help that ignorant people claim to be part of Antifa but with out any explanation or designation.

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        We should still get our facts straight and not rely on hyperbole, which just opens us up to being corrected and looking like idiots who don’t bother to verify what they spout.

        If it really is as bad as you say, then we shouldn’t need to embellish it. Stick to the facts and let people form their own opinions.

        spoiler

        It’s sad this needs to be spelled out for so many of you, but it just goes to show how few of you paid attention in social studies or had extremely poor teachers.

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          Look at this pseudo-intellectual telling us to educate ourselves while ignoring an extremely bright neon red flag that looks a whole hell of a lot like a common tactic used by fascist regimes to label anyone they want an enemy of the state.

          How about you stop trying to educate us and educate yourself, champ.

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      Just today Stephen Miller claimed that calling the Trump regime “authoritarian” was terrorism.

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      I have hated rage bait and click bait ny entire life. I know what you are saying. But this, no this is just truthful.

      If there was an organization,sure. But since antifa does not exist, and just stands for “anti fashist” there is exactly no misunderstanding. It’s their psychosis bulging out of their pores and it’s very dangerous

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      Lol “designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”

      It’s the same game Bush played with The War on Terror or Reagan with the War on Drugs. Write orders so vague and all-encompassing that virtually anyone could qualify based on a police officer or prosecutor having bad vibes.

      Trump’s running on a very time tested playbook

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        This isn’t correct or truthful. The subject of Trump and antifa vs Ronald Reagan and the war on drugs!!! You’re honestly comparing the two? You may find slim similarities but… what the hell are you even talking about? Different time, different subjects completely. The war on drugs and anti fascism. I’ve never heard those 2 things even correlated.

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          Holy shit you’re dumb.

          Both the “war on drugs” and Trump’s Antifa move use intentionally wide nets so they can catch whatever they want and spin it however they want.

          Now, the “war on drugs” is far enough in hindsight that we know it was a failure and we know it was a ploy by the Reagan admin to make it look like they were accomplishing something and gain support. What Trump is doing is the same, but far, far more dangerous.

          You can’t be this stupid. I mean you can, and are, but goddamn.

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      And im sure Trump is under the full impression that “antifa” is a group/organization of sorts, whether you or I believe it or not. So he’s basically canceling a non-existent group?

      When this order gets interpreted and implemented, will they be reading Trump’s mind (ugh, sick thought) or will they be reading the order?

      Trump is like King Tommen, happily banging the seal of the King on whatever mommy puts in front of him. Whether or not he has the faintest idea of what he is signing is entirely irrelevant. The people who wrote the order know what they want it to mean, and they won’t be interpreting it any other way. What Trump thinks is far less relevant than what Stephen Miller thinks.

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          I’ll come at it from another direction. The executive order is nonsense from a legal perspective for any number of reasons, but that’s assuming the Trump administration intends to follow the rule of law. I hope it’s pretty obvious by now that we can’t make that assumption.

          Lets say you are an ideological enemy of Trump that the administration want’s to railroad. They use this executive order to prompt the FBI to start digging. The FBI isn’t going to push back and say that antifa isn’t an organization, and they will never have to prove such a thing in court. They still have to find something to charge you with though, but you are a model citizen with no criminal record, and you have never said anything online that could possibly be twisted to sound like a threat. So, you are safe, except…

          Since you have been implicated as a domestic terrorist, the intelligence agencies get roped in. Independent of the FBI, these agencies are the top experts in the entire world at finding your secrets and even at fabricating pretty much any document or other piece of evidence they want. As a terrorist (yeah, they drop the “implicated” part pretty quickly) you are a risk to national security. Suddenly the FBI is getting tips that lead them to whatever they need to put you away for whatever crime is most useful.

          This is exactly how fascist governments operate.

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      Guys. being against “antifa” doesn’t not equal being against “anti-fascist”. They’ve got yall spun around

      Well, at least you’re accidentally correct about this one

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      Thanks for this sanity check.

      I looked at the source and noticed, well, it wasn’t anything reputable that I recognized like AP. That usually means they have very little journalistic integrity and have no problem sensationalizing headlines to get clicks.