This is the same lady who called for a national divorce a few weeks ago, right?
Don’t forget Jewish space lasers. In any case, if her vote helps restore some sanity to government I welcome it. I still think she’s a garbage person, but whatever it takes to get the votes.
Yea right.
Hi, foreigner here, can any Americans explain why the f MTG’s opinions seem to get a disproportionate amount of coverage even when they’re fairly bland ones like this? As far as I can tell she’s not a member of the cabinet or in any kind of leadership role within the party, or have I missed something?
Is it really just as simple as the press loves to give disproportionate airtime and column inches to far-right demagogues, even when it’s the Guardian?
We had a genre of television show in the US called “Professional Wrestling” which underwent a number of name-changes and variations over the years like “World Wrestling Federation.” and other titles and was all mostly controlled by one media company.
It was not a real professional sport of any kind, but it always pretended it was real. It featured scripted characters who became more and more sensational and outlandish fighting in pre-determined, choreographed “fights.”
It was just a form of story-telling escapism and fantasy for people who didn’t read books. Because it always maintained it was “real” despite all evidence to the contrary, some segment of people got so wrapped up in the stories about heroes and villains that they fiercely defended the idea that it was real, despite featuring characters who did magic and the like, and not only resisted attempts to tell them it’s fake, they got mad at people trying to tell them it’s fake, because they felt like someone was trying to take away their fun. This was basically Lord of The Rings as an ongoing story for illiterate teenagers.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a Professional Wrestling character. She is an antagonist whom people who don’t read love to hate or hate to love. Despite being an obvious “antagonist character” enough people wanted to believe in her that they got her elected to office. This is because broadly, people everywhere want narratives and storylines more than they want material outcomes.
Most conservative politics has gone this direction. It can be argued that the Democrat party here, the “opposition party” is in on this act to a degree, or maybe entirely in on it.
It should also be noted that Donald Trump was deeply involved in Wrestling media and learned how kayfabe works many years ago.
Well right now it’s news because… Well, her opinions are reasonable and sometimes even well thought out which, you know, for MTG is news worthy next her usual mode is “Karen on crack cocaine spouting conspiracy theories”
the press loves to give disproportionate airtime and column inches to far-right demagogues
Bingo.
Now you basically understand how we got here.
Yeah I suspected it might be the case, I was just hoping I was wrong.
She’s famous for being dumb and extreme, and she was an early Trump diehard. That’s pretty much it.
She has a record of making statements that bear a profound stupidity that attracts attention. She is the originator of the “jewish space laser” meme. She is also on a weird redemption arc (it wont work) but she seems to be more reasonable and is acting more professionally since Trump took office.
TRUMP HAS BEEN ignoring her since he got elected, she probably expected a cabinet seat, more publicity,etc. Shes on a vendetta right now, and the gop really have pushed her out of thier backdoor deals.
Just because she’s a provocateur and gets a lot of attention because of it. It’s also breaking ranks so it will get press anyway.
Speaking as one, we Progressives & Leftists need to ditch this purity-level mentality - it’s self-defeating.
Is MTG an absolute shit-goblin? 100%! But can she be useful in restoring ACA funding, and releasing the Epstein files? Also, 100%!
This is in part how the right has managed to shift the Overton window so far towards their side since the 2000’s. It’s about damned time we co-opt such successful tactics in order to bring some sanity back.
There’s no strategy even needed. A vote is a vote. Who cares who votes?
She’s an attention removed seeking relevance. She will never willingly help Democrats. That’s as obvious as the sun rising tomorrow.
e: interesting censorship. lol
.ml censors words like bitch and whore.
For… some reason? Oh, right. .ml, they’re all about that shit. lol
Is the removed word the 2nd letter of the alphabet, followed by something you scratch?
Or is it the Australian term of endearment?
lol. Yeah, I was describing that aussie term of endearment with a phrase that rhymes with attention chore
Wait, that’s not the Aussie term of endearment. That’s the C-word.
Sure. If you’re delusional in thinking that the American government will ever operate again as it once did.
Liberals still trying to reach across the aisle as we stare a dictator and fascism in the face. So ready to work with a racist grifter that will say anything to keep her career alive. But decades of “how will we afford that?” or “you have to be realistic and compromise with the people that want to murder immigrants”
That ship has sailed mate. The legislative body has become exactly at Republicans wanted it to be. Useless. And if you haven’t realized that you are not “the left”. You’re the liberal that can’t come to terms with a reality the left has been warning you about for over 8 years.
I swear, you ML users really do give Lemmy a bad name.
I didn’t state anywhere to reach across the aisle, did I - you just made up your own strawman to get angry and argue against.
However, I did say if someone from the other side - even a gremlin like MTG - supports your existing position and they are the one reaching across the aisle, only a petulant, short-sighted fool would leave them hanging.
But you do you, an stay mad I guess.
I don’t know mate. I was on .ee and just picked a popular alternative when it died. Not sure why an instance matters when I just join subs from all instances on an android app.
“Reach across the aisle” just means working with the other party. Do you think my criticism changes based on which party initiates it? Because it doesn’t.
Could you maybe respond to what I said? Instead of mentioning something irrelevant and then nitpicking what a phrase means?
Having a moral compass matters. First, throw the Palestinians under the bus because “things will be worse for trans people if we don’t vote for the genocidal Zionist”. DO NOT demand anything of your party. That could “make them look bad”. Yeah, the genocide made them look bad. That’s the parties fault. Not their progressive base.
Then, “well, throw the trans people under the bus because healthcare for cis people is still good”.
Then it’s “well, we can’t cover abortion because our grifter we work with doesn’t want that either. But healthcare reform is still good”.
Your type of thinking is how we got to the state we are in today. This is how the overton window shifts right. It’s the Democrata constantly reaching their hand across the aisle to the right while doing everything in their power to kill progressive movements within their own party. Look at how they treated Mamdani. And now, under the thumb of fascism, in a completely disabled legislative branch with no power, you’re falling for a racist grifter that does not give a FUCK about universal healthcare.
They’re just never going to bring the House back in session…
They can’t control their own party. And they’re not going to pass anything by law. There’s zero incentive for Republicans to bring it back.
After the omnibus you could tell they checked out for the year. This was planned all along. They’re done with democracy and funded their personal army.
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
It’s important people understand this quote was made by a diehard republican.
Isn’t it Barry Goldwater?
David Frum, speechwriter for George W. Bush and an outspoken member of the neocon movement of that era. He was apparently one of the “never Trump” Republicans who foresaw the coming disaster before the 2016 election. He has since left the Republican party and written two books titled Trumpocracy and Trumpocalypse.
Those things run on fiscal years, not calendar years.
But if the House resumes, they have to sit the new members, which means there’s enough to force a procedural vote on releasing the Epstein list.
They’d rather prevent that then do the single filibuster proof bill a year they can get past the Senate.
trump will just keep doing shit and fighting in court than try to pass real laws.
The risk for them is all this combined with the DNC finally pulling their heads out of their ass and fighting for down allot spots again.
We’re not just gonna see a blue wave, we’re gonna see an actual.progressive wave of people who want to fight fascism.
But if the House resumes, they have to sit the new members, which means there’s enough to force a procedural vote on releasing the Epstein list.
You know? My tinfoil hat says this is why Trump wants to push the Insurrection Act through. Then when it’s pushed through, they can resume the session and when they try and bring the vote for releasing the files he has all Dems arrested for treason.
The risk for them is all this combined with the DNC finally pulling their heads out of their ass and fighting for down allot spots again.
We’re not just gonna see a blue wave, we’re gonna see an actual.progressive wave of people who want to fight fascism.
As much as I’d like to see the birth of an actual progressive party, I think it’s more likely we’ll see the birth of a more moderate version of a Republican party; voters that would today vote for a Bush Jr President over a trump.
I think we’ll see some real progressives, but billionaire elites like Koch, Thiel, etc. are going to let that happen over their dead bodies. They’ve come this far, and they’re damn sure not going to let some idiot kids force them to give up even 1% more of their power/money. Until they’re dealt with appropriately (legally), we’re not going to have real progressive change.
etc. are going to let that happen over their dead bodies.
Deal.
I wish I shared your optimism
I know right… People have been saying this for TEN years. “The conservative party is going to die out as more old people die off” was the big one in the late 2000s. Then the Republican elite slimeballs realized that was probably true so they invested billions into astroturfing new conservative support, along with all the fascist bullshit too of course.
What we’re seeing now is the result of decades of disciplined effort from Republican/billionaire strategists and lobbyists, and it’s paid off a ton. I don’t think it’s going anywhere for the next few years at least.
Unfortunately, stupid old people have raised stupid young people, and they’re replacing themselves with gusto
I’m eternally grateful to live in a civilised country
I think it’ll be widespread violence. We’re seeing death throes.
ICE doesn’t get paid. National guard doesn’t get paid.
Oh my god.
- Pack the courts.
- Overturn a bunch of rulings.
- Get away with kidnapping US citizens.
- Pass the last bit of useful hostile legislation.
- Use the “budget” to soft fire every single federal employee.
Badabing badaboom you got yourself plenary control just like they said. We’re so absolutely fucked aren’t we?
Which means she’s already out of a job and doesn’t realize she’s treading water until irrelevance sets in.
They still get paid…
And corps will still pay bribes, their families still have highly paid do nothing jobs.
They can got to the January after midterms, but if Republicans don’t have the majority and keep Stalin, then that an undeniable coup.
There’d be no more plausible deniability. And a lot of signs point to trump already trying to manufacture a crisis to use as an excuse.
Or she’s angling for a career change.
They are on board with Trump legislating through executive orders and SCOTUS giving the go ahead.
Johnson is…
But he also knows how hard it is to win a Speaker vote.
That’s the whole point, MAGA barely had the House to begin with, they sure as shit don’t have it now. Even if the majority of the House has an R by their name.
Jog my memory a little. But didn’t she heckle Biden when he said Trump would take away Obamacare?
That was when the only people supposed to be at risk were brown people. Now it’s her family on the chopping block. Totally different!
She’s not very smart, she probably believed he wouldn’t try to
The enemy of my enemy is… still a hateful, toxic harpy. But we can temporarily ally ourselves with her to fight the more dangerous and urgent threat Trump represents.
It’s not an alliance. It’s just voting. I don’t understand why people are talking like this.
Of all people I never expected her to go against the grain.
Really? Because she’s gone counter to Trump / MAGA on the Iranian Strikes, the Epstein Files, and referred to the situation in Gaza as “Genocide”. She’s not a good person but she does occasionally hop off the Trump train.
Yeah this pivot she’s making is actually quite predictable. She’s a populist and a good room reader. She’s also a racist, transphobic, QAnon freak, but she has her finger on the pulse better than the GOP establishment and is trying to get out of the room before the discontent explodes in their faces.
I meant before all that.
she shills for RUssia/putin, Putin currently does not like israel intefering with iran mostly, hence her stance against Israel.
She’s a grifter. Nothing more. She has no actual opinions beyond what will keep her relevant.
Why do people fall for shit like this from the right?
I imagine one of her stipulations would be to ban all trans healthcare.
Was absolutely lovely (/s) to have a conversation with my doctor today about what my options would be if they do that. Government so small that it fits in my doctors office. I’ve been on HRT since Obama was in office.
Ive been on hrt since 2016, so same. I’ve been stocking up on my estrogen (also switching to injections and lowering my spiro dose, which the higher dose turned out to be needless since my lower dose keeps my T down super low) so that I can at least have that for a year or more. Then there’s DIY. Such lovely conversations to have about losing care because the government doesn’t want us to exist.
Gavin Newson liked this.
Won’t be a deal breaker for the Dems.
I dunno about that, they’ve gotten rid of several anti-trans riders in the past couple of bills, including removing them from the BBB. The Dems in the Senate have almost always unanimously voted against anti trans stuff. Occasionally you’ll get a couple of defectors but usually not.
The thing to understand is that Democrats will throw basically any group under the bus if they can claim they are helping the majority… and that said majority don’t care too much.
This country hates the existence of trans people. Or, to be more specific, the majority believe “You live your life just don’t tell me about it” while secretly insisting that the only reason Little Jimmy isn’t going to be a pro football player and have CTE for his entire life is because Sally has the option to transition if she/he chooses to.
I don’t think we’ll have ALL of the anti-trans shit in the budget that eventually passes (if one does…). But you can bet that schumer et al will be glad to sign off on it if “most of the deal is good”. Which… arguably IS the will of The People but The People are fucking monsters.
Conspiracy theory: if she continues like this in a few weeks she gets sniped by some extremist and becomes a martyr
Why? Dems have less than 50 votes and need 60. It’s not like she’s the tie breaker or anything. Plus she’s already talked extensively about the Epstein files and how they need to be released even if Trump is in them. Idk why dumb ass conspiracy theories like this are all over Lemmy.
What conspiracy theory? She can vote in the house, she can’t vote in the Senate. Although I don’t believe there is anything on the Democrats budget bill that couldn’t in theory pass reconciliation. So they could try to get support from Republicans and get that passed with 51 votes, but it won’t happen. (MTG once again, couldn’t vote as she’s not in the Senate)… could vote for that reconciliation bill to pass the house though
the greater upper echlon of the gop, wants her primaried, she definitely doesnt want to lose her seat. trump constantly ignoring, probably advised to because she is too toxic for trumps presidency, much like loomer and boebart is. plus she and gaetz already used her ousting card to get rid of kevin.
Is MTG really a good person but can’t read? No…No she’s still a cunt.
It’s cause her own immediate family’s premiums are going to go up.
Tomorrow if these insurance companies gave members of Congress 100% free insurance, say goodbye to the crumbs the plebs get today.
There is enough room to spray paint could shoulda woulda from here to Brighton Beach & back. All upon her 4 or 5head. I reckon it depends with optimal lighting conditions, shadows, time of day, etc. L
…either broken clocks, or she’s grown a conscience…
Weird to be rooting for MTG. I think she’s just standing up for her principles and while those are usually somewhat unhinged, they happen to be aligned with the wider populace today. She’s still got a chance to fuck us over, but right now it’s a great example of the ‘The Worst Person you know just made a great point’ meme.
I think she sees the writing on the wall and is gunning to be the leader of whatever populist conservative movement arises post trumpism
Majorie Tyler Greene amongst great Americans!
MTGAGA!
I’m off now, going to puke.
…like i said, “broken clock…” but at the first whim, she will, absolutely fuck over anyone who is damages her numbers…
No. She has relatives (possibly her children?) who stand to be affected by the ending of the ACA tax cuts.
Nope completely selfish as usual. Her kids medical insurance would be affected
Probably an awareness that as the shutdown goes on and more people learn what it’s about, more people will side with Democrats.
That honestly seems like too much foresight for her.
…it’e like everybody wants to not make decisions, but the decisions the people voted to make them is wrong…WTF!..
trump is likely going to die in office (FUCK YES) and all the vultures are circling to try and take over his Legacy because even the US Military is not sufficiently strong to make people like couch fucker. And mtg is dumb enough to think that can be her. Someone who “reaches across the table” to fight the evil entrenched government elites and blah blah blah.
I think she wants a long political career and she’s betting on MAGA failing. She still wants to remain on the right wing, but she’s trying to distance herself sooner than later.
Sooooooo… healthcare subsidies will be restored, all of the other bullshit stays? Is that how this is going to go down?
You’ll be lucky to get the subsidies. More likely the Dems cave to pay gov employees and Healthcare costs double. Republicans will just say it’s Dems fault and MAGA will believe it. They believe anything that comes from their team.
I never, in a million years, thought MTG would be a voice of reason.
I mean yeah she’s a terrible person but she’s already said that the Gaza situation is Genocide, came out against the air strikes on Iran, and has pushed to release the Epstein files so this is at least the 4th time this year she’s gone counter to Trump / MAGA.
Maybe she started some new meds?
Maybe her constituents have melted her phone board?
Maybe she stopped gulping down the red-pill laced koolaid. And has opted for a nice rosé-pilled koolaid instead.
A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Doesn’t mean the clock shouldn’t be replaced. But it’s a step.
