This is why gamers will continue to be screwed by the industry.
Hasn’t this been in development for the past decade
More people are being idiots. Smh.
Gamers are their own worst enemy.
Remember the Modern Warfare 2 debacle? Those who boycotted it ended up playing.
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I get calling out pre-ordering a digital game, but what’s the hate for the steam machine? Sure its maybe a bit pricier than a similarish build, but the form factor and other perks of the system can make up for that.
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From what I read, the Steam Machine actually was supposed to be that affordable, but they really didn’t have much choice to have the current price point without having to sacrifice performance.
The market for PC parts is fucked.
Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. I’m not sure how someone is gullible for buying hardware around market rates. Like yeah, it sucks that everything is so expensive, but unless you’re buying used that’s just the way things are right now.
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It’s a gaming capable PC that can provide an actual benchmark target…for the first time in the entire history of the industry if you exclude handhelds (even then isn’t the deck the only one that actually became a target for a notable number of studios). That alone is worth some extra cost. It’s a great entry point for people who only know their phone and it’s app store, you know, the vast majority of humanity…also great for people curious about non-windows/apple OS that are intimidated by the sheer volume of knowledge you need to even pick an alternative OS let alone use it reliably. What about all the work Valve keeps doing on open source projects and Linux gaming as a whole?
You’re ignoring everything about the device except the price and a per-piece comparison of hardware, when in reality it’s about the whole package…plus most of your complaints here have straight up just been you upset that some randos online argued with about both of your speculations on price.
I would argue that Valve should’ve just have upgraded the Steam Deck and I find that a far more worthwhile device.
They still do plan making a Steam Deck 2. But given that the Steam Deck OLED also needed a 300 dollar price hike, it’s clear that it would have had a similar fate. IDK how many steam deck players being ready to pay 4 figures for a handheld.
( I say this owning an 800 dollar GPD Win 4).
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Kinda ironic how people say we live in a cost of living crisis but then people also have always money at hand to throw it out the window for top level consumerism stuff. People have no self-restraint, do they
Edit: self-restraint, not self-constraint
It’s because games are cheap compared to many alternatives that people would use to entertain themselves. They are one of the cheapest forms of entertainment when you consider how much time people spend interacting with them. An Uber and a night at a bar, or a dinner for two at a steakhouse could cost more.
I’m not very consumerist, but grew up poor by US standards (and am honestly on my way back). A lot of people seem to want at least some nice things. Sneakers, nice clothes, nails, hair; whatever they’re into. I think it helps distract them, or gives them something to look forward to. Part of it may also be that society seems to conflate a persons worth with their income and possessions, and that has been internalized.
I’m pretty sure there was a study done that found that people with lower incomes tend to spend their extra money on experiences and such (tattoos, games, etc.) rather than save and invest. And they do that bc they figure they aren’t gonna have the money for long so might as well do something enjoyable with the money when they do have some extra. Whereas people who have higher incomes often have some extra money, so they can make plans and invest with the expectation that they will have more extra money later
Yeah, that’s my experience. I think there’s a kind of anxiety that if they don’t spend it now, some unexpected expense may come along where they’ll have to spend it on that. When unexpected expenses are required, they have to borrow/hustle/pawn/pick up another shift/etc. A lot of people couldn’t even balance a budget if they tried (i.e. they don’t have enough income to cover both expected and “unexpected” expenses).
Guessing one of two factors, or a combination.
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People seek escapism in hard times. 1930’s America was going through the Great Depression, but it was also the start of the Golden Age of Hollywood. People still turned out to go to the movies despite the bread lines and poverty. And people will still buy games if they can squeeze it in the budget, even if there are maybe more “responsible” purchases they could make.
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GTA players probably don’t buy as many games. There are gamers who will engage with the medium across dozens of titles catering to various interests. And then there are “gamers” whose entire scope of gaming is some combination of FIFA, Call of Duty, and Grand Theft Auto. When you only buy 1 or 2 games a year, sinking $100 on each doesn’t seem as unreasonable as buying 10 games per year at $40.
Also to add on to this, while we are in a cost of living crisis, that doesn’t mean people can’t save money towards purchases like this either. If you started putting back 5 or 10 a month since it was announced you’d have plenty saved, especially with the delays.
I don’t think it’s a good idea considering we haven’t seen anything yet, but I am not their audience.
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the answer to your question is “K-shaped Economy”. Lot of people doing this are in fact doing way better than they were 4 years ago. Some of them are indeed taking out more debt to do this, but most haven’t felt the pain of this modern economy.
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You’re right, edited it, thx.
Gamers are fucking stupid marks. We know this.
Yeah. Not be all “told-you-so” but I saw people on reddit talking about how Rockstar have screwed themselves by not doing physical disks and how pricing it so high is going to ruin them and I was thinking “Oh shut up, you’re all going to buy it.” I guarantee when it does eventually release all you’ll see on reddit for weeks is people talking about how awesome it is.
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It makes sense though, people who would preorder a game several months before it comes out would be big enough fans to get the expensive edition. Regular people are not buying any game before launch, expensive or not
Pre-orders for digital content make zero sense tho.
No, that’s true, but it makes sense that people who already do a ridiculous thing would also choose a more ridiculous option available
Yeah, because the stock is obviously going to run out
Paying present dollars for the promise of a future service. It’s not even a good anymore, as they’re free to change or revoke it. Wild stuff
I don’t even get the hype about the game. I played GTA 5 and Online enough that I was tired of it like 10 years ago. Big whoop, they made another one.
Oh, I want to play it. But they’ve made us wait so long, and are milking for every dollar. So, just as with prior GTA game, I’ll wait an additional year or more for a PC port.
CEO claims new product is a hit, refuses to give numbers.
They’re wearing bandanas because they smell shit.
This article is literally worthless without hard numbers. “Exceeding expectations” could be 20 people buying it instead of 10. “More people” could be 2 people. It’s all meaningless bullshit.
of course they are. because gamers are myopic, idiotic little goblins that will yell and scream about every injustice…real or imagined, but will be right there to support the absolute worst aspects of gaming by preordering every ultra mega super deluxe edition.
You know those are probably different groups of people, right?
I’ve been around long enough to see this pattern play out a thousand times, kid.
Same man. People on this forum who can see what’s going on outside of the bread and circus are the minority of the money spending gaming community. Most are just more than happily mildly complain and buy their next distraction from the horrors of life, which at times I don’t blame them.
Yep, I have a friend group who gets real about talking about the evils in all aspects of society, including gaming. But then we talk about how Blizzard has an incredibly toxic culture of harassment towards women and then I see they’re playing a Blizzard game. Like… Wtf. It’s like gamers take exception towards terrible companies as long as it’s the game we want to play.
Having actual moral convictions requires effort. Performative morality is easy.
Ahhh this takes me back to the Modern Warfail days. Still haven’t touched the series since Black Ops 1 which was the last title to have dedicated servers.
And a way to play Zork
And yet there’s only ever this example.
because its an iconic symbol that is just as relevant today as it was then, because gamers never change. Every time its the same fucking pattern, game gets released, they buy it, they complain about everything about it, swear they’ll never buy another game from that company again, then when Shit game 2 comes out, they are dropping 400 dollars on premier legendary super tier dick enlargement +3 pre orders, only to start the pattern all over again.
Crying about “Why do people keep posting this iconic symbol” is like crying about the fact that people keep bringing up Epstein.
You have to have selective memory to forget all the times people did vote with their wallets though. Ghost Recon: Breakpoint just about ruined Ubisoft after the good will of Wildlands. Avengers, Suicide Squad, and Redfall were all designed with the assumption that gamers wouldn’t be able to resist playing these major properties with addictive hooks that generate more money, from renowned studios that made hit games, but no one bought them. Need I mention Concord?
And beyond that, there’s no boycott for GTA6 that I know of. It’s not a sequel to a “shit game”, it’s a sequel in a series that people always love, always review well, and leaves most of their customers satisfied. Of course people are going to pay top dollar for it. It’s not at all surprising.
Ubisoft still existing as a company is a confirmation that idiots will still keep pouring money into the bullshit they endlessly complain and cry about.
Ubisoft is currently struggling to exist as a company, having already explored new ownership structures and tons of layoffs, because people are no longer pouring money into the bullshit they complained about. I didn’t even list their Avatar and Star Wars games in the above.
These games were not boycotted because of bad, predatory, literal psychological manipulation. They were simply bad games that were built without the proper dopamine loop, not understanding the original source material, looking at you Suicide Squad, to keep them addicted.
And they still made a lot of money, just not enough for their bloated development since these companies are still around and pumping out more games with these shitty practices and making millions of dollars, including even more of these extremely predatory GaaS, which Rockstar has even been on record stating that they were targeting console players first instead of PC because they’re more susceptible to their psychology department and spend more money on crappy FOMO microtransactions.
Avengers, Suicide Squad, and Concord were all on record as having lost hundreds of millions of dollars, which is nearly their entire development budgets. I don’t know how much Redfall lost, but we know it sold incredibly poorly, and the studio was shuttered in its wake.
Quite frankly, Rockstar’s shitty practices only affect the multiplayer. In which case, you’re either okay with it, because GTA Online has tons of players to this day, so they’re not boycotting it; or you come to GTA for the single player mode, where you’ll never see any of the stuff that bothers you.
Rockstar has even been on record stating that they were targeting console players first instead of PC because they’re more susceptible to their psychology department and spend more money on crappy FOMO microtransactions.
Feel free to cite the exact quote here, but the ones I can remember, without you editorializing it, are that console players spend more. I don’t think that’s down to them being more susceptible, because they’re not some other class of human being. On PC, custom servers that bypass the official ones are quite popular, and Rockstar can’t really advertise those microtransactions to players as effectively there. Their tactic for GTA6, best we can understand from behind the scenes reporting, is to let those servers remain operational but also hire the creators to work on officially supporting things like those roleplay servers in GTA6 in a way they can monetize. Be disgusted with that if you like, but I still fall into that single player camp. I’ll never see the parts of GTA6 that bother me. The fact that it comes to PC later means I’m just waiting for a sale. The copies they’ve sold already are to people who aren’t so precious about playing a PC version.
My guy we aren’t going to watch every fucking one of you for every fucking game. We know the pattern. The GAMING industry knows the pattern. The only idiots that haven’t figured it out are the gamers themselves.
It’s a pattern as long as you ignore the examples that break it, and you don’t lend more credibility to whatever follows the phrase, “my guy”.
Thank you…
They aren’t. I know plenty of these people. They are all the same person. Gamers are entitled, lazy, and reactionary.
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Gotta reserve your copy incase the server runs out of RAM or something.
If you know you are going to buy it regardless why not just do it now
People can cancel if they see gameplay they don’t like
I’d believe it. 2 more is “more people”.
