Can’t you just disable sleep on close? Fuckin noobs
Updated with correct link
I like how they think they’re somehow special for walking around with their laptops open. Business idiots have been doing this forever. It isn’t some new “AI coder” thing. Jane from fucking accounting does this on the way to her meetings too you morons.
Normally I want mine to sleep on close.
Kinda reminiscent of people walking while holding their phones on their palm face up like a slice of bread.
I’m not sure if I see a reason not to disable sleep on lid close. If you have to carry it around lid open so that it doesn’t sleep, you clearly have a case for wanting to keep the laptop running with lid closed.
If it’s a “look at me, I’m doing things”, it’s a whole different story.
My money is on the latter
It’s easy to lose track of time with these tools, he told Business Insider. Soon enough, the girls’ practice has ended, and the parents flood into the changing room. He joins them — with his laptop ajar, so that the AI agent can keep running.
“I have to put it up on a shelf,” he said. “I’m untying my girls’ skates while looking back like: Is it done?”
I just feel bad for these poor kids. You can’t leave your goddamn Claude at home while you take your kids to the rink?
When your boss ranks you based on the number of tokens you burn, there’s no choice.
Ohoho, I know exactly how to burn a silly amount of tokens if I want to, which is why that metric is absolutely garbage - arguably worse than ranking developer performance by SLOC committed.
If your metric is usage, it is incredibly easy to game, just send agents on wild goose chases all day long and never accept the results.
Part of the scoring at my company is how many generated lines of code you accept.
Going back to the beginning of the year, I think I’m up to 6
Have it write all of your logging code for you, it may be inaccurate but it is the least damaging place to take the hit as you can just manually search in the source code for where the print was from. They always do something stupid and non uniform making most statements traceable indirectly.
This makes my ops guys cry.
If you fully inform them on the situation, they will be cool with it. We are all in this shit together, well until everything falls apart. Add a [<linenumber>] to the prefix on each statement, who the fuck cares. It was the LLM that did it, not you and you were forced to use it.
Still too much effort.
Automate a script to send AI agents on goose chases for you.
It’s not about effort as much as it is about keeping your job, while not injecting chaos into a code base.
I just don’t imagine any company actually using tokens as a metric
Happened to a friend of mine at his company. It seems the company wanted to justify their subscription costs.
I’m sure if you are corpo-brained (brain dead) enough it makes sense. AI = magic efficiency machine, therefore an employee that uses more tokens = more efficient worker. Of course, in practice most competent people affected by this policy at his company started burning tokens with wild goose chases when they needed to increase that metric.
/model opus
write a script that RO dumps my production datastores 1gb at a time
use this script and review all my production data and look for cost savings.
You can send it into deeper rabbitholes than that without even coming close to your prod stack
well yeah, but it might actually find something interesting :)
He’s a product head at an AI company, as per the article. He is a boss.
While I agree, Every boss, has a boss. Even the CEO’s have bosses.
Until you get to Mambino, the boss of bosses!
Only if the company is publicly traded
VCs are bosses in the private ones.
HEY CLAUDE! OPENCLAW!
There, tokens gone.
or you can literally just do what is it? something+tab? and it just goes to town without the need for you to confirm anything.
I mean it’s gonna turn out slop that won’t scale and be full of exploits anyways regardless if you auto confirm or not. then just rig it up to ping your phone when it’s done…oh who am I kidding these dudes wouldn’t know how to do that.
then just rig it up to ping your phone when it’s done…oh who am I kidding these dudes wouldn’t know how to do that.
Fucking. Exactly. I just made a long comment about how this article feels like they’re talking to non-tech-savvy people who are pretending to be tech-savvy because they talk to a fucking AI.
Like this dumbfuck kid who “has to keep shipping software” as if that means he’s not shipping it riddled with bugs and security issues since his AI makes the spaghetti code and he just says “I’m sure this is ready for production.”
I used to use a push notification app and a small python script for that.
I would “&& notify_me ‘message’ “ and get a notification on my watch when whatever script I was running completed
I judge this wave of people in tech pretty harshly.
Just a bunch of boring script kiddies
I couldn’t even find any evidence in the article or photos that anyone interviewed was running a local LLM, which would at least justify worrying about temps if your keyboard acts as your air intake (which apparently is relatively common now).
Just a bunch of narcissists wanting an excuse to have people ask them about what they’re doing, ogle what they’re doing, and so they can pretend they’re…
Even worse than script kiddies, they may not even know how to use or build a script
Or use their operating system. Who doesn’t know you can have it stay on when you shut the lid if you want?
Even easier. For a lot of carriers you can send an email to the phone number and it’ll come up as a text.
I mean this is why I don’t mind using AI, it gives me the time to focus on the people around me.
Also I see it as a sign of a lack of support and isolation in the workplace. Like “I need help, I don’t have anyone to turn to cause everyone is fired so this is my only support” and the anxiety that brings.
I’ve been suffering from too short an attention span. I keep ending up. scrolling on my phone while waiting for ai to spew its slop, and have been caught too many times
Yeah I just swap to the next project. And if all of those are hydrated I go to my hobby projects, and yeah those I don’t use agents for so I just stay there for a while after that lmao
Dude needs to start using cloud agents if he’s gonna be this shitty.
you know this article is bullshit right?
People who can’t figure out their power settings are shipping software. We’re so fucked.
I mean… I’m almost glad they haven’t figured out the power settings. Imagine if they were all running around with the lids closed and the laptops stuffed into a backpack? It would be a fire waiting to happen.
You’re saying it like it’s a bad thing.
Why should I have to die in a plane crash because some idiot vibe coder’s laptop overheated and caught fire during the flight? So yes, it is a bad thing.
“Fires on airplanes” is, in general, a BAD THING.
Idk depends on the airplane at this point.
best case scenario you spew a bunch of toxic shit into the already stressed atmosphere.
Surely the CPU would force an instant shutdown if it detected dangerously high temperatures?
I was thinking more about the batteries. It’s probably not as big of a deal with such small batteries, but lithium ion batts can enter an “uncontrollable, self-heating state” called thermal runaway. https://ul.org/research-updates/what-is-thermal-runaway/
Yes, but our gear should have sensors that know when thermal transfer is sustainably going to impact the batteries.
They do, but It’s sort of like what happens when you take a hot steak off the pan. The extrernal heat source is removed, but the steak has enough internal heat to continue cooking for a bit while it rests. Your laptop might shut down, but the whole thing being in a backpack would act as an insulator and allow it to continue heating.
yes you are right and everyone else is a little uneducated for thinking this could actually be a fire risk
You sound fun at parties. Circular firing squad, much?
Fwiw, several generations of Windows notebooks have suffered from nasty sleep bugs where they wake themselves up from sleep, and drain their batteries while clamshelled in a book bag. Used to happen with my work Dells almost monthly. Microsoft’s announced win11 fix for it is one of the loudest and most venerated I’ve heard, in living memory.
Best I ever got out of the deal was a spicy pillow, no breach, and I’ve been unable to find any articles about any rash of laptop explosions which would have had very high visibility.
It sounds like you have also been as lucky as I have. May we all hope to escape the fires, a little longer.
Right, and this is just waking to run updates or whatever. Imagine what running a local LLM in the same conditions might do.
kek. okay tell that to all the electric vehicle owners who’ve burned to death in random car fires cause by their batteries igniting themselves. also maybe educate yourself a little and read the underwriters lab article I posted.
This has been true for 20 years.
Considering that they are using pseudo intelligence* write the code I think the power settings is the least of our concerns.
*PI should replace AI as it is a more accurate title
I just translate AI to Anti-Intelligence. 😎
“Actually Indians”
Original is better than clankers but I gladly use both.
Also Idiots
I roll with NS “natural stupidity”
Of all the things to compare pre and post AI
This is one that has not changed.
I’ve definitely had windows straight up ignore the power settings before. Granted that was years ago, it’s probably only gotten worse
It does weird things with some but I’ve never seen “lid closed down action” bug. Then again I’m not using laptops that much
It’s fucking surreal watching these people rise to high positions in tech companies trying to sell the idea that they can replace physicians with their “product”. Have fun with that mate.
They will. It’s cheaper. People will die. Congress will take money from the lobbyists and say there’s nothing they can do.
Its a good thing the tech bros are so inept, our demise will be slowed somewhat
You’ve never worked with a dev department obviously.
corporate blocks most of the settings anyway
This is nothing new
Utterly pointless thread. Drivel. Change your power settings so that you can close the screen and have the machine “do nothing”.
Is this the level of content that is deemed worthy these days? Literally a non-story.
You are expecting the people who rely this heavily on AI to know how to actually use a computer?
The story here isn’t actually about the laptops, it’s about the people addicted to the AI use.
If the heat vents are above the keyboard the heat will go directly on the screen. I had a laptop screen stop working due to this.
Seems like an incredibly stupid design that is easily remedied.
Yeah, somehow I doubt this is the reason they’re doing it
It’s an ad. You were reading an ad.
My gaming laptop emits a ton of heat in the chassis around the keyboard. Keeping it closed while it’s running would likely be a very bad idea.
If they happen to be running any sort of models that are local to the machine that could be quite haphazard.
“coders”
‘AI coders’ specifically.
spits on the ground
Anyone with half a working brain in computer tech would know that, if you really need something to be kept on, but checked regularly, it becomes a fucking server that you connect to using different equipment. But that’s too high tech for vibe-whatevers.
“I think people think I’m whatever the equivalent of an iPad kid is for a middle-aged woman,” one AI user said.
Ackshually, we think you’re an absolute fucking idiot.
Also - ffs, they can’t even disable sleep in system settings???
Kids today are braindead
This sounds like a form of addiction.
It is. I don’t know if you do any development or simply write code as a hobby but you get a sort of dopamine hit when something you’re working on actually works. like a bug or something that’s been dogging you for days and suddenly you figure it out. it feels good. I can’t remember the quote but Linus Torvald said something similar. it’s a good feeling.
Now imagine you get that constantly, consistently, again and again because you strictly use an AI agent. that’s what these tech bros are getting. The problem is unlike actual devs they’re getting that hit because it essentially “works on my machine” as really that’s all the AI turns out. Something that surface level functions. So they’re addicted to it. “oh man that was so fast and easy, lets build something else!” over and over again.
The problem then becomes they’ll run out of ideas or things to build and will naturally have to start trying to maintain what the AI built utilizing the same AI. Annnnnd if you’ve had any experience with these agents you know “that’s where the fun starts” those dopamine hits are going to vanish very quickly. Now these people are “chasing the dragon” so to speak. AI doesn’t know it was the one that built the thing. I’ve seen it first hand with my clients vibe coders when I’ve asked them to go back into something that was built and have the AI start fixing bugs that I’ve found in my review. the vibe coder panics, it doesn’t understand what the agent is telling them, the agent believes the vibe coder built this thing. suddenly it’s not fun anymore. suddenly it’s not churning out semi-working results. suddenly things are breaking.
This is the one aspect NONE of these companies or tech bros or vibe coders like to talk about it. Haven’t you wondered why you rarely read stories of them sending their AI agents back into the thing its built to scale it or fix something? it never turns out well.
So it is an addiction. And they’re all collectively chasing the dragon. But eventually they stop getting their hits and will crash out.
If these yahoos come back to hire people like me who were dismissed like so much garbage, they are going to find we processed our loss and moved on after a year of self reflection and accepatance.
They will either pay us through the nose to convince us to help, or piss off.
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"Can’t you just disable sleep on close? " You really think they have technical competence for such?
Oh shit, that’s a great idea! I’m surprised claude didn’t suggest it first. /S
You can, and you can also have the disabled sleep on close implementation screw up, have unintended consequences and weird behaviors. Half open lid? You know what you’re getting.
Caffeine exists
dumbass who refuses to learn does dumbass shit that takes seconds to fix. sounds about right.
I guarantee this article was written in conjunction with the comms team at OpenAI. Just more propaganda to try to convince people that AI is popular and generate FOMO.
AI has important uses, but for capitalists its only use is to make them more money at your expense.
I don’t know, it has the opposite effect, IMO.
It just makes them seem obnoxious, since the example they chose was a parent who was distracted with the computer open in the changing room while they were supposed to be helping their children with their skates, and literally mentions how the other parents have to navigate around the thing.
You’d be more inclined to think that they’re a computer addict who can’t put the the thing down for even a moment.
On top of that, the video is basically a recipe to drop the laptop and have it shatter into fine powder, if you’re holding it by the corner like that.
That is 100% the vibe I got from this article as well. They’re trying to get this in the zeitgeist.
How do so many tech people not know about the power settings that can let the laptop run 100% even with the lid closed and on battery power?
Like, how stupid are they? Has AI really atrophied their tech skills that much?
A guy here shared a story about this AI guy his company hired, that was pretty clueless when it comes to basic tasks about his job. When he had to do the same thing a week later, he was still as clueless. Anyway, that made me think that AI people might have trouble learning things, because they just let a data center hallucinate an answer. I have the same thing when i use a navigation system, i don’t really learn the way i go, i just follow an indicator.
Has AI really atrophied their tech skills that much?
These people never had any skill to begin with. They only have a codebase now because of AI.
I’m not in IT, just a lowly office grunt who is forced to use Windows on their laptop. I know most people here have forgotten that 99% of the working world has to use Windows, so let me remind you how much it sucks.
It doesn’t matter how you change the laptop power settings, Windows will look at your settings and then just do whatever the fuck it wants when the lid closes.
Sometimes it goes to sleep
Sometimes it stays powered on and quietly overheats in your laptop bag.
Sometimes it completely freezes up and forces you to hold down the power button.
Sometimes it just logs you out and does nothing else.
Sometimes it will go to sleep, but the moment you open it back up it decides what you REALLY wanted was to restart.
Changing the settings has no effect on what Windows decides to do.
I know people on this site like to sit on their gilded Linux throne and sneer at all the lowly peons forced to use “Microslop” instead of their clearly superior, self-hosted, FOSS, Linux distro; but it is a real problem with Windows laptops.
I am in IT, and personally speaking, with my own machines, I have never had these power settings not be obeyed.
And the only time when I have seen these settings “not be obeyed” in other systems is because either,
- Someone or some other non-Microsoft software had dicked with power settings through the registry/GPO, or
- I’ve been able to trace things down to hardware malfunctions or hardware discrepancies.
“Claude, how do I change power settings on a laptop?”
Thank me later, AI users. ;)
You’re going to need to be a lot more specific
Oh, right. AI users…
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Yes, a laptop is indeed powered by electricity - you seem very smart
some laptops use the keyboard as an airvent tho
I have seen that type. The keyboard is usually inset a mm or three along with that indent extending to the edges, allowing airflow to continue even when the lid is closed.
Wow, that was quick to have vibe “coders” not understanding how a operating system works.
To be fair, often times coders are horrible system admins. Heck Torvalds famously runs Fedora because he found installing Debian too confusing.
Fedora allows him to mess with kernels easier than other distros
Is that why I make a pretty decent sysadmin? Because I’m a terrible coder? 😅
Skill issue
The 39-year-old head of product at Raven.AI is a [Claude Code and OpenAI Codex power user. He also has two daughters, ages 12 and 10, who love to ice skate. So, when he takes them to their weekly skating practices, he sits outside the rink and codes with AI.
It’s easy to lose track of time with these tools, he told Business Insider. Soon enough, the girls’ practice has ended, and the parents flood into the changing room. He joins them — with his laptop ajar, so that the AI agent can keep running.
Sure pal, your work is more important than your kids!
USA makes the world more difficult by pushing people to work more hours and more hours and even more hours, that is turning to a normal thing, which affects the rest of the world bad. Yesterday was AI pushed all over the world, today is war going worldwide. God belss USA and it’s capitalist heads!
What really worries me about this article is this very dystopian idea that you’re supposed to be “working” 24/7, no breaks ever.
Even when you’re out with your kids, why are you present in the moment instead of working? Open your laptop, go work.Wasn’t all the marketing abour the “AI Future” talking about getting things done faster?
When did that turn into “Work 24/7 so you don’t waste your hourly token limit”? WTF?Also,
The 15-year-old from Bentonville, Arkansas, is a 10th grader who’s building a startup with his 24-year-old cousin. He uses Codex, Claude Code, and OpenCode (paid for with seed money from his parents).
Lul. Lmao. ROFL even.
Yesterday on my way home there was a lemonade stand, 6 boys making great value lemonade for $2 a glass. Two of the kids were turning poorly made signs it was so wholesome if I had $2 on me I’d of stopped just to support them.
Sometimes kids should just start a business instead of a startup. Less disappointment and brainrot
I can’t remember the specifics of it, but I vaugely remember someone pointing out that back in the 70s people assumed that rising productivity meant they’d have to work less. That if the work of a week in 1970 would be the work of three days in 2020, that they’d simply only work those three days. Even if I’m misremembering what was said, I feel like it’s clear to see that rising productivity doesn’t mean we’re going to work any less. Capitalism will just keep squeezing until nothing is left.
Yeah futurists said the same shit about email and smartphones, etc. These were “time saving” productivity tools that would help us all enjoy a better work-life balance. Instead you end up with workers essentially on call 24x7x365.
That was the Jetson’s storyline: George goes to work 3 days a week, 2 hours a day, to sit at a desk and press one button.
Notice that storyline didn’t get repeated much.
Also made enough for a nice floating house, a flying car, and a robot maid.
And still has to deal with rush hour traffic…
Remote work still isnt fully accepted even in the future.
My pet theory is that the jetsons and the Flintstones are in universe, on the same planet, in the same time period. One lives in the clouds, the other on the ground. Where do you think all the raw materials come from? Dinosaur operated quarries
Yeah everyone on the ground making due with bioengineered animals that look like dinosaurs, and no one can afford shoes but it’s ok because everyone has been bioengineered to run really fast and have impervious feet.
on top of that, there is no way they are working on anything so important that can’t take an hour away or whatever. these dopes could also configure yolo mode if they just need to sit there and click “accept” to changes…
