• Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Hmm…

    This is some combination of right-wing gun-toting and sexism. A very… wonderful combination.

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    Both the “locks away guns, guns are always empty except on the shooting range or hunting, safety conscious” person and the “gets drunk every evening and sleeps with a loaded gun under their pillow” person are actually totally safe as long as they uphold the number one rule of gun safety: “The barrel of a gun may never be pointed at a person”. Super hard to shoot someone unless you are Angelina Jolie or James McAvoy or one of those bullet ricochet superheroes. Of course it’s a useless rule since it is simply stating the obvious. But that doesn’t seem to stop people from repeating it.

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    In any given year, more than half of all gun deaths are suicides, so really it should read…

    Go back inside

    Shoot self

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    Fake. Anon doesn’t have a wife. That would involve talking to a woman.

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    Be British

    Go to the United States

    Don’t Get Blown up in a Cybertruck

    Don’t Get Shot up in a mass shooting

    Don’t Get Robbed shirtless by a home invasion

    Don’t Get Scammed broke by a crypto-coin shill

    Do find the one person in the entire country who insists on doing knife crime

    Marry her

    Get stabbed to death

    Post about it on 4chan

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        I mean, most of those are gang shootings, no? Those are always a bit disingenuous to call mass shootings.

        People overstate the danger.

        (And 90 in a year is still a small % of people when we have 300 million, if you look at %)

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          No, you’re wrong.

          Everyone that studies crimes for a living, you know, people with PhDs, who publish peer reviewed studids on mass shootings?

          Precise definitions vary somewhat, but basically, a mass shooting is any instance where 4+ people are injured or killed by gunfire, in a single, temporaly and geographically constrained event.

          Gas station robbery gone wrong? 3 people injured, one dead, by gunfire?

          That’s a mass shooting.

          Because a mass of people… got shot.

          A mass shooting related to gang activity… is a gang related mass shooting.

          It is a subset of the category ‘mass shooting’, not a completely different thing.

          You csn take that definition and apply it backward 40 , 60 years, and you will still see a massive, massive rise in the number of mass shootings in the last 20 years, number of people injured or killed by gunfire in mass shootings.

          Zoomers are about 3x more likely to personally know someone who was present at the scene of, injured or killed in a mass shooting than Boomers.

          For Millenials, its about 2x.

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          So… I’m curious why you think gang shootings shouldn’t count or is a bit disingenuous to include.

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            It’s disingenuous because they’re not everywhere. They’re in a specific subset of high crime areas.

            It’s a very own problem in its own right, but when including in a statistic used to represent all of America as shooting people up is what makes it a poor and often intentionally misleading statistic as compared to how safe you actually are in the average area

            They’re also typically more targeted, less random

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              and it regularly involves a specific group of people, often times doesn’t really even involve every day normal people, as opposed to a mass shooting, where the literal point is killing normal people.

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                specific group of people

                Nice dog whistle.

                The virctims in gang violence include innocent bystanders.

                We all know exactly what you’re really saying here and you’ll deny and make excuses about it.

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                  We all know exactly what you’re really saying here and you’ll deny and make excuses about it.

                  Just because you read into it wrong doesn’t make your bullshit interpretation correct.

                  Yes, There are innocent bystanders that die. It’s a major issue. The only thing I’m trying to say is that it isn’t the same issue as widespread violence

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                Exactly! We’re not having hundreds of random shootings in a given year, a very small subset are those crazy, heinous shootings where someone decides to hurt as many people as possible. Most of the incidents don’t make national news because they’re something like a drive by or similar.

                We should absolutely fix the gang problems, but the solutions there are very different from the solutions for random mass shootings.

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            that’s actually a better argument for me ironically.

            Europe is more densely populated, among a smaller landmass (if we explicitly refer to western europe) making it MORE likely that any mass violence events hurt more random people.

            Where as the US has LESS people, across MORE space, making it even more unlikely for you to be involved in these attacks, because people are simply less likely to be in those places, at the time of the attack.

            Of course the US has disproportionately more acts of violence against other people, than somewhere like europe, but there are a variety of reasons this could be the case, but it’s questionable whether this makes you “significantly” more likely to experience an attack, considering you also spend “considerably less” time around other people in general.

            Also to be clear, it’s literally just true, america is a huge fucking country. If you include eastern europe, which i don’t think is a fair comparison given that eastern europe is historically and demographically different from western europe (the usual examples provided) The entire continent is slightly bigger than the continental US including alaska. If you remove all of eastern europe, it shrinks considerably. (and this may include part of russia? I can’t find solid numbers)

            And looking at wikipedia, seems to imply that a portion of russia is included, so if that calculates into the landmass, that’s substantially throwing it off. I mean to be clear, you would comparing the population and landmass of the european continent against the US, which is not the entire north american continent, that is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the US is alone.

            Classic American exceptionalism.

            maybe research your point better before yapping.

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              There’s also the matter of guns not being tossed around like candy at a Willy Wonka publicity tour in most of Europe.

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              You need to look at how they classify “mass shooting,” because a massive number of these are gang violence, since “mass shooting” usually means at least 4 people involved. Those tend to happen in dense cities, like Chicago or LA, not in the middle of nowhere.

              So if you’re not in the bad part of a large city and aren’t involved with any gangs, your chance of being involved in a mass shooting is incredibly rare.

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                yeah im not even touching that, because honestly, i have no idea what the numbers look like, but i’d guess that’s the case for the majority of violence in most places (cities especially)

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                  True.

                  My point is that the numbers are incredibly misleading. If you look at the numbers for “gun violence,” most are suicides, and a large number of the rest are accidental discharge. Very few are homicides, and an incredibly small number are random shootings.

                  The random ones get a ton of press coverage because they’re rare and because they’re so unpredictable. The everyday homicides are rarely reported on outside the local area.

                  What’s even crazier is that most of the gun crime wouldn’t be stopped with proposed legislation because:

                  • most of the firearms involved are stolen
                  • they’re mostly handguns (esp. gang violence and suicide), and gun legislation targets “assault weapons”
                  • criminals are usually first time offenders, so restrictions wouldn’t apply
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        In 2022 or 2023 there was one mass shooting for every day of the year. Anon was simply in the wrong place

        One? In both years, there have been two shootings for every year according to your source. Jesus christ!

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          I remembered a different source. The one I linked uses a different definition for “mass shooting”: it counts events where at least four victims are dead or wounded, and includes cases of domestic violence.

          Rest assured, the number is abnormally high for a supposedly “developed” country, whatever criteria you apply.

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    most gun owners are safe and cautious

    I know some of the most brain dead takes that my friends with guns do. Some gun owners are absolutely crazy when it comes to gun safety and storage.

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      Another take, I am super on it with gun safety, but not storage. There are never minors allowed in my home, and a gun isn’t useful unless you can get to it easily and it’s ready to go. Only guns resting inside the safe are unloaded, all the guns that work for a living have loaded magazines and a round in the chamber (I don’t own any 1911 pattern guns, if I did, they would not be chambered.) Also, no exposed trigger, everything is in a holster.

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      I have known a number gun enthusiasts. About half of them have been safe with them. Only one shot themself.

      The numbers aren’t great.

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      Yeah, press x to doubt

      Some are extremely careful. Way too many(majority , from personal experience) are “meh” at best, and a smaller part (but still way too many) are just using guns as a baby rattle (figure of speech, though I’ve seen things)

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        I have a friend who has a quick access weapon for defense. But he keeps the AR in the corner of his bedroom, a loaded magazine, not chambered. But has a curious 2 year old in his house. And that’s just one instance from a single friend. And he rationalizes it, saying he keeps the door locked. (Which isn’t true because the time we came over and noticed it, the door was wide open)

        And this is coming from me, who fairly recently got into firearms and got my CCW. Sometimes the lack of priority for safety just leaves me astounded. This is why statistics happen.

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          Yeah, I don’t own any guns because I have very curious kids. I’m thinking about getting one, but I’m still not sure what kind of storage to get.

          And then there are those idiots on the road that flash their handgun if you honk at them.

          I think we should have mandatory gun safety training in schools. Teach kids to respect firearms and learn how to secure them.

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        When there are millions of gun owners even a few percent using guns for “baby rattles” is still a very significant number.

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    See that is the problem.

    All gun owners should be completely cautious and safe. That is why you background check them thoroughly.