get linux if you haven’t already
if you don’t know how, ask, Lemmy is covered in Linux users
I’m building a new gaming PC and it’s going to be a Linux build and if it doesn’t work the way you guys keep insisting it will, I swear to God.
My last experience with Linux was with Ubuntu about 10 years ago and I can’t say it was a particularly great experience I’m hoping that in the last decade it’s improved its user experience.
I’m migrating to Linux Mint, 99% of steam games work as well as on windows. Those who don’t are mostly multiplayer games that insist to have some shitty kernel anticheat.
I’ll still keep windows on dual boot when I need it, though.
Shit , I just installed oblivion reboot and worked on day 1 without issues in popOS.
Gaming is such a nonissue on Linux now
I’d have to disagree that it’s a non issue it’s definitely improved, but I still come across little irritations that pop up on Linux but not Windows games.
It’s a non issue for most games, which is great but every now and then there’s a game that’s too tightly integrated into windows (like phasmophobia and it using the cortan API of all things for voice chat) or one that relies on an incompatible anti cheat system.
The Linux community need to figure out a new friendly standard to ensure anti cheat without out needing to act like a backdoor to the root kernel. I wish I was smart enough to help with that sort of stuff.
The Linux community need to figure out a new friendly standard to ensure anti cheat without out needing to act like a backdoor to the root kernel.
I think Valve and Arch are working on that with their collab on the secure signing enclave.
NVIDIA drivers finally behaving well?
Last tried gaming on Linux Mint 2 years ago faced a lot of graphic glitches, full screen issues, pointer issues.
Finally gave up.
I had NVIDIA gpu though
No nvidia issues in mint for the past two years that I have been using it
Yeah, I’m on a 3080ti and don’t have issues with the drivers in the pop store
NVIDIA GTX is still a crapshoot if you wanted to play games on an older system (at least with modern desktop environments that use wayland) and RTX is going to be fine for most things unless you wanted to use Steam Gaming Mode on bazzite (because it was built with AMD in mind and uses APIs that the equivalent in the nvidia drivers are buggy - but they seem to not matter when in games because devs make them work on both cards or have just accidentally avoided those APIs - I’m guessing that’s the reason - I think it’s vulkan related iirc)
I switched two Months ago to Mint and have no issues with a 1070. Even G sync works :)
Well no Helldivers if I go that route
Helldivers works fine on Linux, I play it from time to time.
Usually it works but, every once and a while they have an update that breaks shit but they usually fix it pretty quickly.
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https://www.protondb.com/app/553850This person brought receipt!
Maybe too late, but,no tux, no bux.
What’s that mean
There are more games than you could ever play in a lifetime that now support Tux, the Linux mascot. I won’t purchase a game that I can’t play on Linux. If that means I miss out on a few AAA games I’m ok with that.
This person fucks hard
I appreciate the attitude big time
I also tried Ubuntu 10 years ago and threw it away in anger. Have been using mint for over a year now and game on it regularly. All I really needed to know was: use proton and add ‘gamemoderun %command%’ into the launch option of the game.
Except for mods on Nier. That was a hassle.
Its actually more annoying on the work computer. Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice, especially with the collaboration options. But Linux is nicer to do dev work on so ¯\(ツ)/¯
Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice
Did you give OnlyOffice a try? https://flathub.org/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors
I did, it is a little easier for me to use than libre.
I’m not a Linux hater (believe it or not), but I’m definitely not an evangelist either, and I think this eternal praise for Linux is just not warranted.
If you want things to “just work” in any capacity, then you’re in for a bad time.
Personally, I don’t want Windows 11 on my next PC, but I don’t have the time or the desire to get into the troubleshooting hell that unfortunately is Linux either.
People say that anything is possible on Linux, but at the same time roast you for even thinking that it’s not gonna take enormous amounts of un-learning and self education when coming from Windows.
Linux fanboys who don’t see it’s faults can be sort of toxic.
I don’t doubt that I’ll get downvoted for this, but I think there need so be more differing opinions on Linux on here.
Linux users to Windows users with a question: “you can solve that by switching to Linux”
Linux users to that same user when they switch to Linux and have a question: “why the fuck do you wanna do that? Go back to Windows.”
why the fuck do you wanna do that? Go back to Windows.
Yeah that is basically my concern. However I figure I can always just buy a Windows licence if it doesn’t work out.
I can always just buy a Windows licence
Or use massgrave.dev and get it for free.
If you want things to “just work” in any capacity, then you’re in for a bad time.
Most things do. Not everything obviously, but that’s true for Windows and everything else too. Technology is complex.
People say that anything is possible on Linux, but at the same time roast you for even thinking that it’s not gonna take enormous amounts of un-learning and self education when coming from Windows.
You see, this is the issue. Of course it’s going to behave differently. It’s an entirely different system. The issues come when people switch to Linux and expect Windows still. It isn’t Windows. You have to be ready and willing to learn how Linux works, and willing to adapt to what it does differently. For example, on Windows most applications check for updates when they launch and you have to go to a website to get them. On Linux, once a package is installed, your package manager handles all updates for you and you never have to worry about it again, besides just telling the package manager to update occasionally.
Linux fanboys who don’t see it’s faults can be sort of toxic.
Obviously it has faults. I don’t know anyone who says otherwise. Windows users who ignore that they’ve just gotten used to all of Window’s faults are horrible though. I spent a long time learning to avoid or fix the faults of Windows, and I stopped seeing them because that’s just the way things were. Once I switched to Linux and don’t have to deal with them anymore, they become clear. It’s not a user friendly OS. Users just got used to it because they had to. They can also get used to Linux of they want too, for free and without a company harvesting their data or trying to push stuff on them.
This is one of the major bugbears - linux for a long time had a lot of fucking about required under the hood.
This has not been the case for a while now, straight outta the box it works as painlessly as windows
(Edit for full disclosure: non partisan here, I actually run mint, 10, 7, slack, ubuntu and 11 professionally and personally)
AMD or NVidia?
Most games that I play work well on Linux with AMD. Most who have problems seem to have Nvidia. Anti-cheat stuff can be an exception though so best to ensure what you enjoy works.
If you can check hardware compatibility before hand, it helps. An up to date kernel like Fedora, OpenSuse TW or Arch can help. Wine recommends up to date kernel.
Please update this if you fun into the usual brick wall of hand modifying config files or self-compiling some obscure git pull just to make basic things like audio and network work.
How many people have these issues with audio and networking? I currently have 8 Linux computers and none of this has been necessary on any of them. It surprises me how many people claim to have endless difficult experiences. Many distros make it all very easy these days.
And editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.
Its definitely a brick wall to a majority of people using Windows right now.
If you made it to Lemmy, it probably isn’t. I’d bet most Windows users here have modified their registry files at least once. If you can do that, you can handle Linux without an issue. People just forget how much they’ve had to deal with on Windows, but expect Linux to have zero problems.
editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.
No it’s not but it’s also not something I’m prepared to put up with. When I turn my computer on it’s because I have something I want to do and the thing I want to do with it is not mess with the basic configuration.
I have a question. Have you modified registries in Windows? If so, you’ve done harder stuff than Linux will ask of you already. You just don’t think about it anymore.
Once Linux is set up (which is trivial now), it’s easier to manage than Windows. How often do you have something to do, launch the app, the app sends you to a website for an update, then you have to navigate there and download it, run it, and restart? On Linux, as long as you tell your package manager to update occasionally, all your applications will be kept up to date. Applications don’t have to manage updates themselves and you just need to hit a few buttons or type one command and you’re updated.
If you’re going that far, you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere. Please ask for help before digging into compiling stuff, unless that’s what you’re into, there’s probably a simpler solution.
Nobara or Bazzite are your best Linux options for gaming. I’ve been on Nobara for over a year with nothing but good things to say about the distro and its community.
I was in a similar boat and have found modern Linux to be somewhere between Windows XP and Windows 10 in terms of convenience and having it “just work”. However, I reckon I’ve spent less time troubleshooting than I would spend raging at the bullshit Microsoft keeps trying to shove down your throat in Windows. On balance I’m counting it as a win, and I suspect you will too.
Unfortunately brand new hardware has issues more often than not. I had to get a beta build just to get wifi to work on one system I built.
My last experience with Linux was with Ubuntu about 10 years
Dont forget to put on a suit and say thank you once you try a modern Linux distro
Just keep in mind that there are some very different options within the Linux world and different people here will push you towards different options. The two most common and most different options are Bazzite and Mint.
While both of them can definitely work well, in my experience Mint still leaves a lot of new users unsatisfied with it. I’m yet to see any windows user complain about Bazzite, so that’s my recommendation.
Either way if you try one and it doesn’t live up to your expectations, there’s still a chance the other might.
I have Linux up and running and it’s definitely improved, I’ve fixed almost all the issues I’ve had previously. Unfortunately, discord is missing attenuation on Linux. This is a real problem for me and if I could find a solution, I could ditch windows.
Discord in browser doesn’t work?
Either way, discord is like Facebook… Yes it is useful but it is also fucking cancer vis a vis privacy
Discord works but there is no attenuation feature in Linux or the browser version
For gaming, I recommend Garuda. It has a preset for gaming in particular with a lot of packages you’ll need to install, and a tool to install extra things you may want, like software for controllers and things like that. I think it also has the Nvidia drivers built in (I’m AMD though, so I’m not sure) which isn’t always the case. It’s also Arch based, so the Arch wiki, which is one of the best Linux information sources, will all work, and it can access the Arch User Repository (AUR) where users upload packages, which may be important. For example, Runescape doesn’t work on Linux as is, but there is a package on the AUR for a launcher that works.
There are dozens of us.
And my axe!
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All of my devices except my work one are now Linux.
I have an old surface go 2 that good a massive new lease on life from using arch plasma. Double the battery life and everything. It could no longer get updates from MS because there was no longer enough space on the main drive to download and install the next update.
Then I have an old retro gaming pc that used to be for XP gaming but I ended up sticking bazzite on it for a test and it’s stayed that way and because of that when I built my girlfriend’s latest PC we decided to go bazzite desktop for her. And after getting past a few growing pains at the beginning that made it look like we made the wrong decision (due to an old 10xx gtx gpu - now on 3050) she’s been enjoying it and now it’s just standard.
Then I have my proper gaming PC that I use like a console so I put bazzite-deck on it as soon as I got an AMD card. And I’ve never felt better. HTPC console like gaming on windows was a fucking arse-on, even with steam big picture mode, because it doesn’t get all of the cool bells and whistles that let you control basic system settings right from steam like you can on steam os and bazzite deck.
For work I’ve started moving away from visual studio to VS Code (i know it’s still MS but I do C# .NET work and rider is too expensive, I don’t want a subscription for an IDE) to allow me to easily transition to fully working on Linux if the opportunity ever arises. Whether it be with my current employer and me convincing them to let me to install Linux on my laptop or with a future company. We’ll see which comes first ;)
Now it’s time to get and decouple from Google. Currently figuring out with android auto maps app I want (waze won’t run for some reason, my current winner at the moment is tom tom amigo). Then it’s on to getting a password manager, then a new browser (preferably way more lightweight than chrome) and potentially a Google pay replacement(?).
Any suggestions and opinions from anyone here - even though this is tangentially off topic - would be greatly appreciated.
VS Code (i know it’s still MS but I do C# .NET work and rider is too expensive, I don’t want a subscription for an IDE)
VSCodium is a thing too if you want to un-Microsoft even further.
I use it for C# development on Linux and it works well.
getting a password manager
Bitwarden and Keepass are usually the go tos, depending on your use case.
then a new browser
Firefox or if you want to decouple from Mozilla as well, Librewolf works pretty well.
potentially a Google pay replacement
I’m not aware of any open Google Pay replacements other than taking a card with you.
As soon as you get rid of Google on your phone, you get rid of Google Pay.
I used vscodium for a bit but their latest C# Dev kit is locked to VS Code proper :(
I even made a cool bash script that would download and install ms vs store extensions and all of their dependencies before hitting this roadblock (to get the ones not available on open vsx).
Thanks for the password manager suggestions, I’ll look into them when I get a chance.
I’ve been looking into firefox forks too.
I would like to keep contactless via my phone as I don’t ever really carry my wallet with me anymore these days so maybe Google pay will have to stay. Bit annoying that it won’t be able to be used on whatever browser I end up going with though :(
Yeah, there really aren’t any good contactless alternatives to Google, Apple, and Samsung.
My current setup is reasonably good, I have a Google Watch (WiFi only) that only connects at home, and I only use the Google Watch app on a separate Android profile. The Wallet app refreshes payment tokens, and I don’t need any Google spyware running for regular purchases.
I’m hoping some cryptocurrency or something will get widespread enough so I can have FOSS contactless payments. I don’t think the traditional finance industry will ever support FOSS payments.
Is there something missing in OmniSharp that prevents you from using VSCodium?
I do most of my C# development with the OmniSharp plugin in VSCodium on Linux.
Does it have proper .sln support with a solution explorer?
I don’t use the Solution explorer but I also don’t think it has one.
I usually kickstart a fresh application with a SLN and a few projects in the dotnet CLI and VSCodium picks up the launch project automatically when I tell it to create a launch.json. For existing applications, if the .vscode folder already exists it will just pick it up or I can also just ask it to create a launch.json.
That workflow has been ingrained into me since there were no real C# utilities for VS Code when it first launched, so not much changed for me when going to VSCodium.
Btw Rider is now free for non commercial use
This is for my job…
You could ask your employer for a license I guess
Then I’m reliant on my current workplace rather than figuring out a consistent way to code at work, outside of work and at any other future workplace.
Don’t want to have to get used to one kind of workflow to then not being able to use it in another setting.
Use the free Rider for home and ask any new employer for a commercial license. It’s a pretty mainstream piece of software. There’s really no reason an employer should force you to use Visual Studio.
For those times I need Microsoft tools, I keep a Windows VM handy on my Linux PC. I feel much better keeping Windows contained and mostly turned off.
I’m not being forced to use visual studio. But because of dev ops licenses we get visual studio licenses alongside it so because of that the company isn’t willing (and rightly so in my opinion) to foot the expensive (for a small company) bill for rider.
Which is why I’ve landed on vs code.
I ran linux mint for a couple months. It was nice. Very few problems.
Unfortunately, when I tried to install it on this newer desktop it was a shit-show. No wifi or ethernet, no hdmi, it crashed when I tried to play elden ring. I should try another distribution, but I was so distressed after two days I just rolled back. The people in the mint discord were helpful, though, and got some of the problems fixed.
Windows sucks though.
With the efforts I’m doing to try and de-google / de-big US tech this needs to be my next move.
Trying to convince my better half to do it on his laptop is a pain. I’m under if you degoogle my chromebook now or once it loses support.
I’m going to grad school soon for cs and they require windows 11. This is gonna be a fun test in locking down my machine and only doing updates with intention
You can dual boot or use a virtual machine. Both are pretty easy to setup.
Never heard of this before. They may recommend it, but not require.
I had a class that “required” Windows, I did just fine with Linux. YMMV.
It’s a pretty bold move to advertise the inclusion of a key logger in your OS.
Not just keylogger. It’s a screenlogger too.
Ardamax Keylogger takes screenshots too, should they change the name?
Youd already be using Linux Mint or Ubuntu if you cared about not being data mined.
I’ve been Linux only since 2016, after a decade of "trying " to move over. I do still have a partition for the increasingly rare event that I need something MS, which so far has been one class in my University that required a lockdown browser for a test.
Mint is easy to use too if you don’t want to fiddle around with various packages.
Welp… Linux it is, then
Nahh bro just use third party script then re run it every update 🤡
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Till they change their mind again. Ms in my experience also really like to disregard your settings
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They update, this third party script is to make windows less rapey
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I wish haha
Normally they’d say this and then change it again. That’s pretty much how every “feature” they’ve added to their OS and it is becoming a little too bloaty.
for now
Updates in Linux are not random third party scripts you find online, why are you spreading this lie?
You go into your app store/software centre and click update. To the user, this is all they see.
If you want to feel like a hacker, or find it quicker, you can open a terminal run sudo dnf update or whatever. That’s still not a random third party script, though.
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laughs in Linux
There’s nothing to laugh about. The maniacally evil thing about recall is, that it doesn’t matter what you do to keep your devices clean. If you interact with someone who doesn’t keep his devices clean, which is 100% of us, you’re on recall
Good thing I have no friends to interact with then! Take that, Microsoft!
Would be interesting to see how microsoft kills windows in the long term and then be shocked as to how this happened
Kind of like how they fucked up and let zoom become the pandemic program everyone used despite skype being so established it had already become a verb like google? M$ really racking up those wins recently
Zoom was already everywhere in the business world before the pandemic.
Seems like Skype was only for personal users who were not very techy and wanted to make free calls overseas.
Yeah Skype was already dead by then and when normies wanted to start using video calls on the reg, they ended up with zoom either because their work were already using it elsewhere or from being recommended by others that had that as their reason.
Or the windows phone too
Zoom was so bad, too. It was so unreliable, it was missing basic features, the UI was unfriendly.
They’ve improved on each of these things slightly since then.
But it’s a testament to how bad Skype was that Zoom was found to be preferable.
“But most significantly, Microsoft has made Recall a feature you must opt in to using rather than opt out of using, and it’s possible to remove it completely.”
Important bit
“Whoopsie, we turned it on for everyone by accident after an update! We made a fucky wucky!”
“Whoopsie, turns out we lied and recall was enabled from the start and just pretended to be off” 😄🤷♂️
“we noticed you uninstall Recall. Probably just an accident. We reinstalled it in an unremovable way and enabled it for you. You’re welcome!”
Edit: autocorrect
only until they find out most people never enable it. Then it will be forced on
For now, anyway. Let’s hope it stays that way.
Good! In my opinion this entirely changes the feature to acceptable.
They will eventually change the default to “on.”
At that time, my view of the feature will change to unacceptable. Until then, it is acceptable.
Most MS controversial features go through “opt in -> opt out -> mandatory” pipeline examples are Telemetry, Windows Live account, Spotlight (ui ads), etc.
This is good. There are probably some edge cases for this. I work in IT for some companies using industrial automation. Being able to roll back and watch what people do when errors or problems occur is a good feature. Similarly on high value servers I would like this as well.
Being able to turn it on is better than having to apply policies to disable. I don’t see this as a big problem anymore.
I’m not sure if you understood the comment you responded to…
opt in for now.
I always “Recall” how shitty windows is, whenever I see the word mentioned.
I opt-out.
Me too… well using linux is technically opting out to that right?
It’s the only way to be sure Microsoft won’t sneakily turn it back on.
At least until they sneak it into VS Code’s telemetry. …only sort of joking.
VS Codium to the rescue.
neovim to the rescue.
I spent a couple of weeks trying to get used to vim and in the end I just figured that whatever performance boost I’m supposed to get by not having a UI, I lose by having to learn vim.
People who use it need to be on some kind of government watch list.
pls watchlist me
That’s fair though. I mostly made my comment to be irritating/silly. Vim is not for everyone. It took me quite some time to achieve productivity gains, but I was encouraged to keep trying because I was doing a shitload of text editing over SSH. All text editors are valid, provided they’re FOSS.
Just like opting out of using a Microsoft account to log into windows, the grips will get tighter and tighter over time until you are forced to use butt hole ID to unlock your screen.
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Have to admit, the name “Recall” does have a better ring to it than “Take a Screenshot Every 3 Seconds”.
My windows10 install still asks me to complete the setup…lol no
So reading more into it, it’s (currently) only on the bogus copilot+ PCs they were peddling? I’m happily on bazzite, but this is good news for my stubborn mates that haven’t touched copilot+ shit.
I would not count on them telling the truth.
I checked my Windows 11 work laptop a while ago, and that shit was enabled. Did not see that in any UI, but using command line. Said that shit was enabled and active, but apparently it was not yet doing anything. I will have to check again next time I am firing that machine up again, because I absolutely trust them to re-enable it without my consent, those bottom-feeding scum suckers.
Obligatory info on how to check and disable recall in Windows 11:
- Click on the Start button with the right mouse button and select “Terminal (Administrator)” or “Windows PowerShell (Administrator)”, or if necessary log in as administrator and confirm.
- In the Terminal or PowerShell, enter the command
DISM /Online /Get-FeatureInfo /FeatureName:Recalland press the Enter key. - If the entry “Enabled” appears next to “State”, the recall function is already activated. In this case, the function can be disabled using the command
DISM /Online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:Recall - Close the window.
From this page.
Thank you for this, valuable info right there.
Oh give it time it will appear after an update on everything else, “accidentally”.
Yeah. My entire windows machine is locked down specifically to combat the copilot ms365 plague. I’m also using Bazzite and generally loving it. But I have a work machine for work things and some of my programs require windows to work.
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Are they going back to Windows 10? Wow Microsoft finally a progressive?
We live in weird age, where using Windows is becoming harder than Linux (even though it has its own issues).
We’ve been there for a long time.
Broadly speaking, outside of some specific niche workflows, Linux has been pretty easy for a long time, and Windows has a lot of unintuitive stuff that we only think is easy because we’re used to it.
Linux and Windows certainly both have their failings, but it feels like Linux’s generally stem from the lack of full time developers on projects, whereas failings in Windows often feel like a deliberate user-hostile choice.
Roll it back in please.
How long until Microsoft gets accused of stealing classified info?
Last time they thought about rolling it out, security researchers immediately found ways to do clear text exfiltration of user data.
This should be terrifying for anybody who is at all concerned about opsec for anything at all.
Corporate /LTS editions don’t have this crap. MS only rapes the peasantry
For now. Plus, lots of companies still use Windows “Professional” SKUs.
Thankfully my work laptop runs W11 Enterprise, but still…
I’m sure most corporations have agreements that prevent M$ from using this. Or M$ has to host all of its data gathering on azure government.
The entire point of recall is that it’s running locally. That’s why only a very very very small subset of all Windows 11 PCs support it. Only “copilot+” pc supports it which are PCs with very specific processors with AI processing. Most notably the new Snapdragon arm PCs.
You’re incredibly naiive if you think MS isn’t harvesting that data.
I think the EDPB would have a field day if that was the case.
Oh for sure, but EU is actually attempting to modernize their laws for the 21st century. Here in the US, you’d be lucky if there was any protection at all, especially with the absolute farce of an administration currently “running” the country (into the ground, that is).
