• Shadow@lemmy.caEnglish
    97·
    4 months ago

    We’ve definitely noticed an increase in signups at lemmy.ca when that news was announced. Not all active users yet, but a lot of signups

    • Lojcs@lemm.eeEnglish
      874·
      4 months ago

      It’s not the size, it’s the content. Lemmyverse is a lot more serious and honestly, gloomy. Average age seems to be quite higher too. If all you used reddit for was news, politics, technical discussion and porn lemmy might be perfectly fine but there’s way less meme or entertainment content here

      • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
        622·
        4 months ago

        There is less of everything. Less sports, less hobbies, less local groups, less crafts, less academic discussions, less indie hackers and entrepreneurs, less fashion/brand/style enthusiasts…

        Memes and entertainment are too shallow and can be found anywhere, we need to focus on getting some people focused on the deeper end. Reddit’s strength is in its long tail of interests. Instead of running blackouts or general protests, we should have focused on bringing one specific community to Lemmy (like e.g, knitting), figure out the issues and support them to migrate fully. If we pulled that off, other communities would have a template to emulate.

        • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          4 months ago

          I mean yes but imo the solution isn’t any of that. The problem is that Reddit has super niche communities that people expected to have enough users to build here. That isn’t the case. And we shouldn’t be looking to transplant entire communities because that rarely works.

          People really need to hear this: You need to be cross posting every single niche community post into a more general community. There are too many posts on here that exist in a knitting community but not in a general hobby community that’s more active.

          This is how Reddit works and we need to follow the template. You need strong pillars that people can flock to and then branch out from there. Examples might be r/funny, r/sports, etc. Then if people want super populated places to go and chat and post, those general communities are there. If they’re new, they can find your niche community by browsing the populated places. We don’t need templates for communities, we just need to have a few really populated places with high engagement to promote natural growth.

          • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
            3·
            4 months ago

            Transplanting communities rarely work because it takes a catastrophic event to push everyone in the same direction. The Reddit protests were, IMNSHO, such an event. I get it, hindsight is 20/20, but I think that if I had started my work on Fediverser when the API pricing changes were first announced, I would have in June all the tooling needed to make a coordinated mass migration.

        • wesley@yall.theatl.socialEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          Yup, I like Lemmy but there are still those subreddits that Lemmy can’t fully replace for certain sports teams I follow.

      • AstralPath@lemmy.caEnglish
        32·
        4 months ago

        The way I see it is that when I’ve run out of content on Lemmy, that’s my indication to put down my phone and do something else. My buddy framed it in that way during a discussion we had the other day and I think he hit the nail on the head.

        • Lojcs@lemm.eeEnglish
          7·
          4 months ago

          If I only browsed my subscribed feed that’d maybe amount to to 5-10 minutes of stuff a day. On the other hand if I open the all feed there’s an endless steam of the stuff I mentioned above. As I said, what’s lacking isn’t volume it’s the content of the volume

      • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
        32·
        4 months ago

        I still appreciate Lemmy more. It’s more intimate and people are way more respectful. Also, Reddit is full of shit comments. Lemmy comments aren’t perfect or amazing, but I visited Reddit this week looking for memes (agree with your point on quantity of memes) and perused the comments. I forgot how stupid and formulaic Reddit can be. I’m really happy that didn’t transfer over to Lemmy.

        • Lojcs@lemm.eeEnglish
          15·
          4 months ago

          Yeah I’m glad reddit’s comment culture didn’t carry over

          • ElJefe@lemm.eeEnglish
            13·
            4 months ago

            I think for the most part it stayed in reddit, and I’m so glad it did. But I have run into the odd “classic” reddit comment like “sigh unzips” and jfc did it make me realize how much I had not missed that kind of tired, uncreative, dumb bullshit joke.

            Some people really want lemmy, or the fediverse for that matter, to be reddit. And that’s not a bad thing of its own. But maybe we can let it be what it wants to be.

            • SilentObserver@lemm.eeEnglish
              8·
              4 months ago

              Some people really want lemmy, or the fediverse for that matter, to be reddit. And that’s not a bad thing of its own. But maybe we can let it be what it wants to be.

              Personally, I’m fine with Lemmy not completely replacing Reddit, but rather just being a viable alternative for those of us who are tired of Reddit. I’ve only been using Lemmy for a handful of days and I’m already quite happy with it as it is.

          • darakan@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            4 months ago

            Maybe it’s just the communities I frequent, but I think it did carry over. There’s a lot of sarcastic comments, holier than thou comments, and meme comments on Lemmy just like Reddit.

            Edit: Also, a lot of negativity.

      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        4 months ago

        I imagine this is controversial, but I appreciate that there’s less entertainment here. I’ve already had more decent discussions here in the last 6 months, even if I disagreed strongly with the other person, than I have on Reddit since the 3rd party app debacle.

        The constant churn of what some people consider entertaining, or the never-ending effort in attempts to be the entertaining and flippant comment that gets upvotes even on serious subjects really just gets old. I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t have a sense of humor, but when everything starts to revolve around cheap quips and retreads of the same old comments, that’s stagnation. Any serious sub big enough to damp that behavior also tends to be more exclusive of outside opinion.

        So I guess I’m happy with news, politics, tech, and porn - though I have to admit I blocked out a crapton of the porn when Lemmy was new because it was overwhelming so I don’t see much of that in /all anymore.

        • subtext@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          4 months ago

          Tbh it definitely helps with my phone addiction. The content starts to run out and I can just put down my phone.

        • Lojcs@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          I don’t mean discussion about entertainment, I mean communities that entertain you like damnthatsinteresting, unexpected, nextfuckinglevel etc. And considering how much of their content is in video form, I don’t think they can viably exist in lemmy.

          memes are everywhere

          Maybe generic and reposted memes are, but nothing of the sort of niche meme communities that constantly popped up in reddit

        • cheddar@programming.devEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          If anything, this only proves their point: there is less of everything. Compare this amount of content a similar sub on reddit.

          • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzOPEnglish
            11·
            4 months ago

            Be the change you want to see. Also I noticed that Lemmy is less active on weekends, which is probably healthier

      • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        132·
        4 months ago

        The gloomyness is definitely a problem. Progressives are usually better at empathy so they feel everyone’s pain. And if you are looking for it you’ll find shit and pain all day long.

        We need more positive posts on here.

    • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
      13·
      4 months ago

      We already have instances that go down or suffer from intermittent federation issues when lemmy.world gets a bit more active. The most conservative estimates are putting Reddit at 75 million DAU. If we get to 1% of that, you can bet that our current network would choke, badly.

      Not only we need more instances, we also need to be a lot smarter about their organization and how to architect this network. I think we will only be able to grow larger if we make a more intentional separation between topic-based instances and “people-home” instances, so that we can have a better spread of the load.

      • machinin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        4 months ago

        We need more instances, but we need to be a lot smarter about the structure. I think we will only be able to grow larger if we make a more intentional separation between topic-based instances and “people-home” instances, so that we can have a better spread of the load.

        I don’t know if it would help with load-balancing, but I feel hash tags would be better than communities.

        • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
          6·
          4 months ago

          This goes against the design of ActivityPub, which requires people to follow actors. A hashtag does not have a single name, so people would have to follow all servers and/or the servers would have to relay activities that are not originating from their actors. It is possible, clunky to implement.

        • ericjmorey@discuss.onlineEnglish
          6·
          4 months ago

          Isn’t that just Mastodon and similar services? I prefer the community url scheme more that the hashtag scheme.

          • obbeel@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
            2·
            3 months ago

            I agree that the hashtag scheme is bad. It attracts people that want to self-promote or bots.

    • sir@lemmy.xxxiver.seEnglish
      77·
      4 months ago

      Maybe an odd take, but I think one of the things missing to make people move over more is porn. So I’m trying to help - https://xxxiver.se

      Cum for the porn, stay for the memes

        • sir@lemmy.xxxiver.seEnglish
          5·
          4 months ago

          Sure, Lemmynsfw is always going to have more users, but I want to serve the needs of the Creators. I’m trying to help get more content for users on lemmynsfw by helping OF Creators get involved.

          It’s the fediverse, you can have multiple servers. And OF Creators can use a server that caters towards their needs and still reach their audience on lemmynsfw

        • sir@lemmy.xxxiver.seEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          Are you an OF Creator selling porn? If not, then you wouldn’t be joining or paying.

          It’s to help OF creators advertise in the fediverse, not to pay 10 bucks a month to watch porn.

      • whoareu@lemmy.caEnglish
        21·
        4 months ago

        I hope you are doing a good job of converting more Redditors to Lemmy :D

        • MelonYellow@lemmy.caEnglish
          10·
          4 months ago

          He totally is! I’ve noticed Blaze’s posts a bunch -well assuming he goes by the same name lol. He’s doing a great job at shepherding and getting the info out there. @Blaze@sopuli.xyz

          Also I took a peek at some of threads discussing the paywalls and noticed there seems to be increased awareness about Lemmy, dare I say interest😆

        • Beaver@lemmy.caEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          Spez is a funny enemy as he is slowly breaking furniture while demanding loyalty in the fortress.

  • Sesudesu@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    4 months ago

    I’m now here due to the Reddit news. I’m still browsing both, but I look forward to changing over.

  • RangerJosie@sffa.communityEnglish
    38·
    4 months ago

    I’m new here coming from Reddit.

    Yalls subreddit needs links to here. And a short guide on getting started.

    I had to scroll a bunch of comments to find the right name to Google. Then I had to find the most popular app to use. It was a bit of a hassle. Not too bad. But enough to be off-putting to newbies.

    • Knossos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      4 months ago

      The benefit is also it’s curse. It’s all open, so there can be a bunch of names and a bunch of apps. Nobody agrees what the best app is.

      But once you get your own ecosystem set up, it is amazing.

      Which is a huge hurdle for new people 😬

      • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        3 months ago

        I have two apps, Voyager and Connect, one for me on my instance, one on lemmy.world. They show wildly different things 😊

        • Zoot@reddthat.comEnglish
          4·
          3 months ago

          I loved connect, but the constant restarting and losing your spot drove me to Boost. Its basically exactly the same (minus a 2$ no ad fee) an it never loses my spot! Connect handled markdown considerably better though. Has the app crashing issue been fixed?

            • Zoot@reddthat.comEnglish
              2·
              3 months ago

              Lucky ducky. Does it take you back to the start if you ever run another app? Even if I turned battery saver off for the app (besides it destroying my phones battery) it would still restart all the time.

              • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                I don’t really get what you are saying but for me at least it’s a totally normally functioning app, no quirky stuff etc.

          • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            Boost is fantastic for keeping my place. I just don’t have to worry about switching to the web to look something up, or even just to do some math. Even if the app gets killed in the background, you’ll be returned to where you were. It’s great, I wish every app could have such a good memory.

    • Beaver@lemmy.caEnglish
      31·
      3 months ago

      Please tell your friends to join LemmyWorld (biggest instance) and install the app Voyager (cross platform support) to get started on the platform!

        • Beaver@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I just thought that LemmyWorld would be the easiest to get started from Reddit as it has the least discoverability issues with Lemmy communities.

          • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzOPEnglish
            5·
            3 months ago

            For the vast majority of active communities, they should be discoverable from lemm.ee as well. It’s the second most active instance, chances that someone looked up that community is quite high.

  • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
    365·
    4 months ago

    Every time reddit announces something dumb I open Lemmy again. I’d rather be here on principle but the content/users just aren’t here yet. Where are the cross post bots?

    • Elevator7009@kbin.run
      43·
      4 months ago

      The content/users aren’t here so I’m stubbornly trying to post content and comment whenever I can.

      Even if I shout into the void, or get a few upvotes and little other engagement.

      Although I understand it’s not for everyone, I encourage you to help out with that ;-;

      • Ashtear@lemm.eeEnglish
        8·
        4 months ago

        I was never much of an /r/all user, it’s always been niche communities for me. I feel like almost all of my niches have content here now (if not quite as much engagement as I’d like). !retrogaming@lemmy.world in particular has exploded with activity lately and arguably can now serve as a full replacement for its subreddit counterpart.

        Thing is, when I try to bring people on Lemmy, it’s always “why?” and if I make it that far, “how?” With the how, I’ve been using the analogy of signing up for email, though it’s still not as smooth as it could be. Eyes glaze over when anyone starts asking me about how the Fediverse in general works.

        The why is harder. I don’t know how much user bleed-over niche Reddit got from /r/all users but I’m guessing it wasn’t a trivial amount. I’m sure a lot of Reddit’s growth was owed to AMAs, so it’s possible Lemmy might need something flashy to draw in users who will then filter into communities waiting for them. Some sort of content unique to the platform. I do think before we get there we need a friendlier way to help new people find communities they may have interest in.

        • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          when I try to bring people on Lemmy, it’s always “why?” and if I make it that far, “how?” With the how, I’ve been using the analogy of signing up for email, though it’s still not as smooth as it could be.

          You don’t have to bother with that. Just send them to a single instance to sign up. Stable, general-purpose instances like lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, or lemmy.zip are good recommendations. You don’t really need to understand the details of how federation works to start using Lemmy. They can learn as they go.

      • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        4 months ago

        Thanks for your service. I’m more of a lurker, though I tend to comment more here than on Reddit, and I have so many other things filling my life that I have to tend to. This is just a distraction before bed or filling a dull moment.

      • CMLVI@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        4 months ago

        That’s what I’m doing. I got 2 subs that I frequented on Reddit I’m running, one is a sports one with discussions for the events, and it’s literally just me putting commentary into it. But that’s what I loved about the Reddit sports subs, so I’ll at least have it for when people come here.

        • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          Thank you for your service. I have little interest in sports, but love to see Lemmy growth in general. We need a diversity of communities here, not just Linux memes :)

      • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        4 months ago

        I don’t have the time. This just fills the empty gaps in my day, before bed winding down

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          42·
          4 months ago

          Isn’t that how it always goes. Everyone wants the end result, but nobody wants to do the work.

          • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            4 months ago

            Yep. Weirdly, I didn’t do any work to populate reddit either. It’s almost like that would be impractical and unrealistic for an end user to do.

            • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              3 months ago

              It’s only impractical for a small userbase. As the userbase grows, the amount of posts each user needs to contribute in order to maintain an active community drops to a realistic level.

    • CMahaff@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      4 months ago

      Out of curiosity, what content are you looking for? Discovery on Lemmy can be a problem, but sometimes the communities are there and even active, just buried.

      But may I also suggest searching by Top Day/12-hour/6-hour to see the most active posts. Lemmy’s scaled algorithm still doesn’t get it quite right IMO.

      • ericjmorey@discuss.onlineEnglish
        7·
        4 months ago

        Scaled is intentionally promoting communities with fewer subscribers. It’s intentionally demoting the most active posts bt demoting any posts from the communities with more subscribers.

        • Die4Ever@programming.devEnglish
          7·
          4 months ago

          Scaled is amazing for the Subscribed feed, because I’m (obviously) interested in the small communities that I’m subscribed to. But it’s not quite the same when browsing All or Local. Usually I do stick to Subscribed though.

            • Die4Ever@programming.devEnglish
              3·
              4 months ago

              I also like the New Comments sort (forums style), I have a widget on my phone’s home screen showing Subscribed - New Comments

      • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        Just… content. I open my Lemmy app once and I’ve seen everything it will show me for the day, or sometimes for multiple days. I open reddit and I can scroll for hours.

        • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          3 months ago

          Just… content.

          I open reddit and I can scroll for hours.

          If all you want is “content” you can browse Lemmy by /all, sort by new, and also scroll for hours. That isn’t how I use Lemmy (or Reddit) though, and it’s not how I would recommend using it.

          I open my Lemmy app once and I’ve seen everything it will show me for the day, or sometimes for multiple days.

          I almost exclusively browse by subscribed. When I first came to Lemmy, I kept subscribing to communities until I had too much content in my subscribed feed to keep up with. Over time, I’ve gradually unsubscribed to communities I’m only tangentially interested in, as communities for my main interests have grown.

          Do you think an approach like this would work for you?

          • tehmics@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            No. I already sort by all, and new is generally too low quality and frankly still too slow. I also switch to all on Reddit once I’ve skimmed over the first couple pages of my feed

  • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    271·
    4 months ago

    every time spez opens his mouth a bunch of people go “hmm let me see if there’s something else”

  • obbeel@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
    23·
    3 months ago

    I like Lemmy’s culture better. It isn’t perfect, and maybe someday I’ll create my own instance. And I can do that.

  • wiki_me@lemmy.mlEnglish
    263·
    4 months ago

    It is lower from where it was in june (48.472) and the data seem to indicate a negative trajectory , also lemmy donations seem to be the lowest i remember them to be.

    So i would not get too confident, the project IMO needs to focus on highly requested killer features. My impression they focusing too much on technical issues that don’t seem to be really important in a way that reminds me of the infamous The CADT Model rant of Jamie Zawinski. Do we really need to do a UI rewrite?

    • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      4 months ago

      The CADT model…that was a short but fun read. I have definitely encountered that model many times in the various jobs.

      Years ago, when I was a developer, I loved fixing bugs in other people’s code. I felt like I learned a lot from that, and I got a sense of accomplishment out of it. It made users happy, it made my boss happy, and the puzzle solving aspect of it was fun. I was what they called a “maintenance programmer” which was something of an insult, but I didn’t mind.

      Unfortunately most developers I know hate everyone else’s code, think others’ code is “garbage” (every single time) and they definitely have a lot more fun building something from scratch than doing bug fixes. They even hate their own code once it’s a few months old. Always chasing for the perfect architecture, etc. Which is unfortunate, there’s tremendous value in repairing and upgrading existing things.

      • uis@lemm.eeEnglish
        8·
        4 months ago

        TF2 community greatly values efforts of The Janitor - sole full-time developer, fixing old bugs in TF2.

      • ericjmorey@discuss.onlineEnglish
        6·
        4 months ago

        there’s tremendous value in repairing and upgrading existing things.

        Value created doesn’t translate to value extracted and VCs and managers and marketers and the general public fork over more money in exchange for new shiny than old, reliable, maintained. There are few exceptions.

        • Boozilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          4 months ago

          True, but I’ve also worked at many places where they hang on to old software systems for years or even decades (think banking, mainframes). Because they “it works, and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.

    • Ashtear@lemm.eeEnglish
      61·
      4 months ago

      I’m out of the loop, what are the highly requested features?

      • wiki_me@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        3 months ago

        probably the best (or least worst) indication of that is sorting issues by “thumbs up” on github, see lemmy and lemmy-ui. I think having a survey among donors (like godot had on patreon) is a better indicator.

      • Beaver@lemmy.caEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        I suppose for me more compact posts and in community search.

    • Die4Ever@programming.devEnglish
      4·
      4 months ago

      I was so confused when I heard about lemmy-ui-leptos, it really sounds like a waste of time to me 🤷‍♂️

      I’m sure everyone has a different opinion, but I think the most important new feature should be the plugin system. It seems like the only way to scale up the number of contributors and support a variety of languages.

      https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4695

  • Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3212·
    4 months ago

    Probably due to Reddit fuckary. Between power-hungry, ban-happy mods and Reddit talking about possibly charging for select subs, I definitely bailed and came here.

    Two days old today, baaabbby!!

    Doing my part tho! I’ve created 5 communities and have posted over 100 times in the last two days. :)

  • Yambu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    171·
    3 months ago

    I got banned from reddit for criticizing the mods of a popular subreddit. Perm-ban on a white vest account for saying the mods are crybabies as they once again complained about having to mod the sub.

    Fuck reddit. Fuck spez.

    • Asudox@lemmings.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 months ago

      I agree. I came here for two reasons:

      • Reddit is proprietary
      • Shit mods
      • API paid
      • Karma system

      Though I still do crave the niche communities from Reddit and I might occassionally visit Reddit once in a while on my browser for them, otherwise the ads are pretty unbearable for me. The UI is also so fucking bloated. Fuck spez

    • biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      I pretty much got permabanned for ban evasion, even though I was on an alt that has no reference to the others other than being on the same IP, my other accounts got banned simultaneously.

      • ngwoo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        Same thing happened to me. 7-day ban evasion suspension instantly into a perma on three accounts at once all because a single subreddit mod threw a fit when I accidentally posted there again off r/all on an alt.

        They were all made with the same email address so I could have easily made another alt by now and kept posting but I’ve taken it as an opportunity to do a Reddit detox