In the caption of the Instagram post, he wrote, “An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained. The conductor called the police and stopped the train,” he said.
O’Keefe also says in the caption that the friend of the woman who called the police had said to him, “You’re not the minority anymore.”
A separate video about the incident has been uploaded by the user, Nalae, on TikTok, where it has quickly gone viral, having been viewed over 160,000 times as of reporting.
They said I was disturbing the peace by not leaving the train. They pulled me off the train and arrested me without even talking to the Karen who reported the one black person on the train. On the platform, the police detained me and interrogated me. Only black folks stayed nearby and recorded the arrest. When I demanded a lawyer and reminded them they didn’t even take a statement from the woman who complained they eventually released me. This country is growing more psycho by the day. What will you do about it?"
Sitting? While black? That’s a paddlin’.
sitting menacingly, -COPs
Conveniently, the officer body cam footage is “not available”. Absolutely insane they are making it sound like it’s his fault the train is delayed.
I don’t like the headline. He has a name, you know, and it’s Alex O’keefe.
The headline makes it sound like he did something wrong too. Instead he was harassed because of a Karen
the final form of a karen, an old/ elderly white lady.
Yeah, total bullshit.
Luckily he is American. If he was a legal migrant having been booked would be considered a visa offense and he could be sent to a concentration camp.
wouldnt he still be “deported” to africa, because of his skin color, potentially.
Without due process, even that doesn’t matter.
He will just be labeled “antifa” now, without proof. This is how fascism usually works.
I’m sick of the police getting involved and actually acting when no explicit law has been violated. If a law isn’t violated, they should never ever put their hands on a citizen in any way. Detaining someone without actually arresting them should result in immediate firing of the police. If you can’t press charges, you shouldn’t act.
But then how could they arrest you for resisting arrest?
You watch the video? - They said to him stop resisting even though they hadn’t placed him under arrest. Cops abuse their power all the time. I am saying they have no right to handcuff you or even touch you or order you off a train unless you committed an actual crime that they can place you under arrest for. You shouldn’t be forced to leave a train like this if you haven’t broken any kind of standing law.
they frame evidence all the time, either by making it up, or trying to use it as an excuse to escalate. i suspect the latter.
That’d require them to be educated about the law but it seems awfully convenient to keep them ignorant of it.
So cops shouldnt be called when drunks and racists on planes get start yelling and delaying flights?
Like that Burger King guy? Cops just shouldn’t have been called? Do Americans just not understand egalitarianism any more? You’re all deranged.
Everyone gets the same rules, transport companies can kick you off, or get the police to detain-you-off the plane/train.
There’s literally thousands of videos of people being thrown of public transport, it happens EVERYDAY whenever anyone refuses to obey the rules.
Fucken, Americans are mentally ill, I swear. This shit is obvious in the rest of the world.
Drunk and Disorderly conduct is a crime. I didn’t say cops can’t be called - I said unless they are arresting you to charge you with a crime they shouldn’t be able to detain you, remove you from a train, or claim you are resisting. This ensures they are only intervening when an actual crime was committed. It puts them in a position to have to defend their initial arrest in court and not just harass people and get away with it because they didn’t technically arrest them - which is the case here. Assuming from your statement you aren’t from America so you don’t know how much police harass people outside of actual arrests here. They will ask you to comply without an arrest to whatever unreasonable demand they make. Then, if you don’t comply with something unreasonable, they will claim you were resisting, and then charge you with resisting. It’s designed to create a charge where there was none to begin with. Police do that all the time over here, especially to minorities.
Not what happened here though. He was taken off the train, released and told to get the next train.
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The sad part is this happens all the time for non-famous people of color and the outcomes are worse. Often the cops will throw them in jail for “resisting” or some other made up bullshit charge. His fame and the cameras saved him from likely worse outcomes.
“You’re not the minority anymore.”
Jesus fucking Christ.
This says so much. They think “minority” means a person who gets special treatment. That’s how fucking deluded they’ve become.
That… explains so much. Racists are fucking jealous that black people get to be oppressed??? Is it like some martyrdom by proxy fuckedupedness?
on reddit, people said racist white people like that are afraid they do the same thing to them, of how they persecuted the blacks, so they act extra “im not racist, your being racist for calling out my race”. they also try to deflect white privilege as a non-existential issue.
Sorta. I was raised with this bullshit, so I can see the distortion of reality. I’m still unpacking all this in therapy myself, because it’s a whole worldview.
First off, they’re woefully uneducated about history. My high school in Oklahoma briefly touched on the Civil Rights Movement and tried to pass it off as something that was over and done. Rosa Parks got arrested, the white people were shocked that this could happen, they had a sit-in party at a milkshake stand (they didn’t talk about any of the pushback that got), MLK did his speech and now everything is fine for black people, no more institutional racism, literally being taught in schools. Now, combine that with your own needs not being met, and the talking heads/politicans say that you’re not getting the aid you need because it’s going towards making hurt feelings better. There’s only so much money in the coffers, and you gotta be really hard up if you’re white, but it’s easy to get if you’re black.
There’s also a heavy religious framing about ancestral guilt. Like, if God can make life suck for everybody because Eve ate an apple, and libs are trying to play god, it follows to reason they’d want to make your life suck for the sins of your great-great-great grandparents. It’s never outright stated, but if you listen to enough sermons, the puzzle fills in. Like, again, they think the civil rights movement fixed everything, so they think white people have atoned for their transgressions, but the pastor says libs are in consort with satan and can’t forgive like jesus, so that’s why they want white people to suffer.
Edit: I want to make it clear that I do not personally believe any of that, it’s just what I was taught as a kid.
I appreciate you identifying where in the GOP’s propaganda they lead young people astray.
People like you doing a retrospective autobiopsy via therapy can help those of growing up in other contexts protect young people from propaganda, and distribute to them the truth.
Speak your truth! It’s only becoming more important as time goes on in this increasingly fascistic world.
My favorite part of this is the only people making the ignorant racist lives suck are the Republicans taking everything not the left asking them to be tolerant…
They honestly think that black people and minorities have it on easy street.
thats because they are afraid of the power and riches they accumulated through subjugating minorities, will be used against them in retribution, so they go the extra mile , with the help aristocrats/oligarchs to keep the status quo. also white people are extra defensive when discussing racism as well. even if they arnt outwardly racist(closeted racist), i witness how they act around people that are not white , especially when they either look or approach near them.
during covid, like in the midst of it a older white lady dint like i was getting on the train the same time i was, she said it was not nice to go before “an older lady”, i muttered bitch under my breath, you would do that to another white man or lady, but you would do that to a POC, because you will get immediate clapback from a white person over a POC. AS FAR as covid was concerned she wasnt masked, or properly masked. the entrance to train was large enough where 2 people can get on the same time.
Yep. It’s like a child fighting for the attention of an abusive parent.
They should be made to understood what it means to be a minority if they want that status.
Cops are racists.
This just after a lynching happened in Jacksonville, Mississippi.
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Does the idea of a lynching happening in the US seem particularly far-fetched to you? If so I’d say that you’re extremely uninformed. Also that’s a weirdly specific alternative you’re presenting lol
https://abc11.com/post/javion-magee-21-year-old-truck-driver-found-dead-henderson-north-carolina-death-ruled-suicide-nc-medical-examiners-say/16351111/ Again all you really know at this point is he died and had a rope around his neck, correct? Well at one point that’s all they knew, but then they investigated.
I totally believe he was probably It should be investigated and I support which ever actor or whatever is paying for the second autopsy however it is hard to know if that is even what you are referring to.
Don’t get the downvotes. Are we at the stage where asking for a source is bad now?
no, but when you ask it in such a disingenuous tone, like when someone gives you examples and source, and you keep saying what source? and ignoring the evidence, you’re trolling. this is the same thing on reddit, dont act like that. you are obviously fishing for a reaction.
Oh fuck off. Read the comment again and tell me he’s “just asking for a source”.
I approve of asking for a source. I downvoted because they were a dick about it.
If the claim were contentious, ask for a source. If you can find it with a web search in ten seconds, that’s your own laziness (or malice) talking.
i suspect malice, its the same reddit comments of trolls that do this “im looking for a source thats no biased”, when show they keep asking for a source thier bias side with.
Maybe add a notification for mod deletion?
“You’re not the minority anymore.”
It’s a code for “you’re in Trump America, now.”
its also a codework, its okay for us to say the N-word with the hard R.
It also makes 0 sense while still sounding racist, so definitely trumpian
💯
Don’t let me catch you slipping now
OK, so, I literally just finished watching Lovecraft Country and I was thinking “this was so tragic, it’s good to know history made things right and this kind of institutionalized racism doesn’t exist anymore, now lets check Lemmy”, oh shit…
If you really think institutionalized racism doesn’t exist anymore, I have some bad news for you…
thats why CRT was so heavily criticized by the right, eventhough its a concept mostly taught in law school, and the right cant really DEFINe what it was, because its such a complex legal term, they dont have a basis to argue on it. CRT trolling lasted like what 6 months, before it was dropped from the media. because CRT exposes the "racism’ by the government/right wingers as an actual definable term, unlike WOKE.
It’s a terrifying time to be alive. I highly recommend people in the left buy guns and train with them.
If it is safe for you to do so.
Some of us can’t. We know who we are.
and train with them
with each other
It helps with organization, which is what actually wins both movements and wars
It’s expensive but worth it.
That should have been real easy:
“Ma’am, fuck off to another train car if you have a problem with the way someone is sitting and don’t ever waste our time again. Sir, have a nice day.”
Yeah, why didn’t the MTA worker just do that!
The conductor called the police and stopped the train," he said.
Well there’s your problem, the conductor should have told this woman to do one. Let’s say that he had his feet up on a seat, or whatever, in what world do you stop the train service entirely for that.
I am thinking she didn’t go to the conductor with the actual complaint. Instead, like the Central Park Karen, she probably came up with some horror story of the man assaulting her or some such. He noted, after all, that they didn’t even take her statement when arresting him (for no reason).
There’s an “aggressive” man on the train… each time we say something racist we feel in even greater danger. Halp.
Imagine grounding a plane for this.
Interrupting everyone else’s life because yours is inconvenienced, not even impacted, should not be allowed.
Entitled mess of a human
Yeah, you’d just ask him to not do that, explain that it’s a rule …and that’d be that!
And if it’s bothering her so much, change train cars! Sit a few seats down. Get on another train.
Admittedly, this is harder when you don’t have robust public transit.
The way you get more robust public transit is people using it though (and voting for it). Enforcing rules in this works against that imo
Why should some old lady move because some young guy is breaking the rules. Why can’t she try to tell him then go tell the conductor when he refuses to obey the basic rules of public transport.
I mean what the actual fuck?!? If this is only half as egregious as this is being portrayed I wish I had been there. I would have told that old white Karen to shut the fuck up. And I don’t even know who this dude is. And I’m an old white dude.
Us old white dudes have a responsibility to get involved in these events.
I know cops are scary, but white people need to realise their power in a situation like this. Being white gives you like a +80% modifier in interactions with the police. Even just getting in the space and being a clueless white dude asking questions spreads that modifier to allies in proximity, including those being arrested.
By getting involved you raise the expectation of civility, because our fucking society is racist.
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“I was there and heard that Karen screaming (fill in a bunch of racist shit). She said no one would take his word for it. You see that trash on the ground? She threw it at him and missed. He was minding his own business and tried to walk away, but she wouldn’t let him be. Then she started going on about (aliens or jewish lasers or some real schizo shit). I think she’s having a breakdown or fit.”
There are clips online of crazy white people straight up attacking the cops, and the cops are just like “well shit, now what?”
Can confirm. I regularly cuss out and yell at cops that are harassing homeless people, not even violating their rights, other than their 14th amendment rights to freedom of movement.
Exactly…
The only thing better is some old white grandma getting involved. Pretty sure sweet old ladies outranks an old “Susan”.
I’m only 42 but I hope to be brave enough one day to be such a “sweet old lady” who kicks some ass.
Sounds like there’s a market for “Comfy Steel-toed Boots For Ass Kicking Old Ladies”. Let me find that 100k I put under my mattress…
Indeed and I do (60, 6’2" 100kg white guy) here in Australia, and it’s most often some old white entitled woman. (My 82 yr oldmother is one of these, she doesnt think our First Nations people should be allowed on the same sidewalk as her)
Problem is I then get called out for being a pedo/rapist , this has happened a couple times for calling out some racist bitch.
He literally says he refused to sit right on the MTAs seats. They decided how he was sitting was not appropriate conduct and HE refused to adjust for the MTA.
You don’t get to put your feet up on the seats just because you’re a “celebrity writer”, or black, or have a tiktok.
If you refuse their rules, they can refuse you service.
He literally says he refused to sit right on the MTAs seats.
No he did not. This is what he said.
this white woman said she didn’t like the way I was sitting on the train."
Yes, trains have rules… Like elections…
And if your sense of rules breaks down, your country might turn to shit.
Slippery slope. First people are putting their feet up and then we descend into chaos. That’s pretty unhinged theory.
I don’t know how to tell you this buddy…
Hehe, yeah… When even the Holocaust museum is self censoring, there might be err… Something wrong.
Yeah, we get that. The thing is, there’s no rule that says how you should sit on a train, that’d be ridiculous (ofc you shouldn’t invade other seats or put your feet on them).
The article explains that an entitled white woman told a black man that she didn’t like the way he was sitting, and because the white is always right in America, that poor man got pulled out from the train and arrested: no questions asked whatsoever.
Imagine that someone tells you “I don’t like the way you word your comments” and then you get reported and banned for that without way to defend yourself; it’s the same here except that this involves racism.
“there’s no rule that says how you should sit on a train”
Yes there are:
Riders may not lie down or place feet on the seat of a train, bus or platform bench or occupy more than one seat. Riders may not place bags or personal items on seats.
How often is that rule applied equally across all riders and by all conductors?
Was the specific rider caught doing this singled out for a specific reason? Was it a random selection?
Should riders enforce rules, or should that be left up to the conductors?
A rule only exists if it is enforced.
It’s probably applied whenever a conductor is told… And that is the conductor enforcing the rules.
How was he sitting that was so improper?
Riders may not lie down or place feet on the seat of a train, bus or platform bench or occupy more than one seat. Riders may not place bags or personal items on seats.
Conveniently left out that it’s a $50 fine and not removal or arrest.
Yes, you’d have to escalate and be beligerent to have that happen. Happens everyday, with people who don’t believe themselves celebrities.
Oh no! He’s getting mad because he’s getting removed for no reason! Very stupid.
You’ve been told the reason Sir, and given the option of moving your feet off the seats. If you continue to refuse I’ll have to ask you to get off the train.
Since you’re in here making claims, I’m positive you have a source that backs your started claim up? Something I’m sure you’d love to share with the rest of the class? Hmm? Got some proof…?
That the issue was how he was sitting, and that he refused to change that is not disputed by anyone in the story.
He states it himself:
An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained.
The MTA isn’t a country club, they deal with people of every race everyday. They also deal with people who refuse the rules everyday.
“Correct how I was sitting” could literally mean ANYTHING. Maybe she wanted him to sit up straight, maybe he was “manspreading”, it’s really impossible to know from the description here.
If camera footage shows him taking up two seats or putting his feet up or something, fine, but stopping a train because someone “refuses to sit ‘properly’”? Seriously?
Yeah, we can conclude from the MTA workers actions that it probably wasn’t a posture or slouching issue - and that it was probably something much more common… Like having your feet up on the seats.
The MTA isn’t stopping a train because someone is slouching.
Show me where he violated your holy rules. I’ll wait. “The old bag said so” doesn’t count as a source, young man, so, it won’t be accepted as one.
if the MTA worker also decides you’re in the wrong, then you’re in the wrong…
"An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained. The conductor called the police and stopped the train," he said.
So this clearly isn’t just the old lady. It’s someone who works a low paid public facing job and doesn’t need this shit.
If old people AND customer service people are against you, you might be the problem.
Which of those things was he doing?
Why choose, they’re all against the rules. The MTA decided which one, and he says himself he refused to change his position.
“I refused”
His words, not mine.
So you’re saying we don’t know that he actually was doing any of them, then.
MTA workers deal with 1000s of people everyday. They’re not singling people out on any grounds but whether you’re following the rules or not.
Those two bitches had bags on the seats in front of him…fuck you!
He should have complained to the MTA officer then. But they can have bags on their seats when they’re not sitting on them. You can put bags on the seat you’re sitting on, just not on a separate seat.
It’s one seat per passager.
Yeah! I mean sitting incorrectly in the train?? He’s lucky they didn’t shoot him on the spot!
Apparently having rules and accepting when the conductor asks you to follow them is just a thing in public transport etiquette:
What you’re missing is that the response was out of proportion. If I park my car in a street sweeping zone, they don’t cart me off to jail, they write a ticket.
No one was carted off to jail. He was removed from the train, released and told to get the next one.
Where do you people get this misinformation?
